Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 22, 2021 3 hours ago, poundforpound said: Hen would be so proud of you Berrifruit…..you’re such a toff I know what I’d be breeding to if it was a G1 UK sprinter miler v an Ozz G1 equivalent …..mind you I do like the odd UK sire, but not those Derby type jumpers you love so much Just remind me what the best sires have been down here? Not your squibby type things that produce 15-20 Gp1 winners, but the big hitters that produce 30 Group 1 winner+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewandjo 129 Report post Posted September 22, 2021 LEADING SIRES of individual Group 1 winners (bred in Australasia) G1 winners Sire Name 45 Zabeel (NZ) by Sir Tristram 45 Danehill (USA) by Danzig 45 Sir Tristram (IRE) by Sir Ivor 38 Redoute's Choice (AUS) by Danehill 33 Fastnet Rock (AUS) by Danehill 26 Encosta de Lago (AUS) by Fairy King 23 Savabeel (AUS) by Zabeel 22 Foxbridge (GB) by Foxlaw 22 Le Filou (FR) by Vatellor 20 Summertime (GB) by Precipitation Black Kirrama, Patiti and JJ Flash 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 22, 2021 Nice list that Zabeel by Sir Tristram, is out of a Nureyev mare who is a daughter of Detroit....all European Danehill is by Danzig and was a sprinter/ miler bred and raced in the UK...totally UK Sir Tristram is by Sir Ivor (UK Derby winner) and Sir Tristram is totally UK Redoubte's Choice is by Danehill (totally UK) and his second dam is by Nijinsky (Derby winner) out of a Sir Ivor (derby) mare Fastnet Rock is by Danehill (totally UK) out of a Royal Academy (champion European miler) mare So there you have it. All the stallions over 30 group 1 winners. Redoutes Choice is the only one that has a bit of Aussie blood in it due to his dam being by Canny Lad but the rest of it is all UK based. So if you were statistically right my hospo genius, then one of these stallions should be by an Australian sire, whether sprinter or stayer. Facts are facts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,115 Report post Posted September 22, 2021 Nine-time NZ Group 1 winner Avantage became the highest priced online sale in history after she was snapped up by Coolmore for an astounding NZ$4.1m at auction on Wednesday evening. A spirited late bidding war via Gavelhouse Plus saw the former Te Akau Racing star’s price skyrocket by close to NZ$2.5m in the final 20 minutes of action. Bidding had opened on Sunday at just $500 but that price surged up to $1m within 20 minutes of being online and was at NZ$1.8m when the real action started. Coolmore’s Tom Magnier eventually came out on top to secure the valuable daughter of Fastnet Rock out of Group 1 performer Asavant. The massive sale price sets a new world record for a digital sale, easily surpassing the mark set by Chris Waller’s former gun mare Funstar of AU$2.7m, or around NZ$2.79m, established through the Inglis Online sale in July. Avantage has been sold for a world record online sum Photo: AAP Image–Simon Bullard It also makes Avantage, trained by star Kiwi horseman Jamie Richards, the third highest-priced mare ever sold in the Southern Hemisphere. It’s another big sale result for Te Akau, who had stablemate Melody Belle go under the hammer earlier this year at the Magic Millions Broodmare Sale for AU$2.6m (NZ$2.69m). The sale comes less than a week after a tendon injury forced Avantage into premature retirement. Avantage had been due to start favourite for the Group 1 Tarzino Trophy in New Zealand last weekend before connections made the shock decision to retire her. She was considered a leading contender to be offered a spot in the $2m The Invitation and had been rated a $15 chance in betting before being removed from markets. Avantage retired with an incredible record of 16 wins and eight placings from 28 starts with more than $2m in prizemoney earned. Racenet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted September 22, 2021 Obviously, getting injured was the best thing that ever happened for the connections. She would never have got near winning that much on the track. Probably a surprising price for many. NZ Group 1 form not so bad after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 22, 2021 Berrifruit I merely said we have better types, shorter backs, proportionally longer legs, better angle on their hips, stronger out of the wither, just more strength ….. your things are fucking National Hunt types and when you cross them with our NZ mares you get one paced jumpers Look at Waikato Stud, they started back at Longburn using your NH types, then they saw the light on the back of Centaine, and they’ve kept getting better and better since, all on the back of Australian sprinting blood ( plus the more versatile Savsbeel ) BTW I was a Montjeu fan, he had a lovely SH style action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, We're Doomed said: Obviously, getting injured was the best thing that ever happened for the connections. She would never have got near winning that much on the track. Probably a surprising price for many. NZ Group 1 form not so bad after all. Melody Belle $2.6m, Avantage $4.1m….??? Bet they can’t believe their luck….. We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,115 Report post Posted September 22, 2021 Anyone surprised that Coolmore bought her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,085 Report post Posted September 23, 2021 Not at all JJF and being by Fastnet Rock she was always going to make more $$ than Melody Bell IMHO. Patiti and JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeder 599 Report post Posted September 23, 2021 A question for poundforpound. In Berri's initial comment he said Avantage " is not big". From a breeding point of view and you thinking from a vet's perspective, how important is size or lack of size for the mare being able to produce a good type ? Patiti 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Breeder said: A question for poundforpound. In Berri's initial comment he said Avantage " is not big". From a breeding point of view and you thinking from a vet's perspective, how important is size or lack of size for the mare being able to produce a good type ? I’m not a breeder but I know some very high profile breeders who seem to prefer a nice big “ roomy “ type of mare I guess the only issue with a small maiden mare might be the size of the pelvic cavity, if the foal was by a big stallion, but even then first foals are usually small, and nature is amazing in the way things like the public symphysis adapt, and they just pop the little buggers out Leggy and Breeder 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,683 Report post Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, poundforpound said: and nature is amazing in the way things like the public symphysis adapt, and they just pop the little buggers out More pronounced in the human anatomical condition when the pubic symphysis has a very "public" history! Tauhei Notts 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted September 23, 2021 3 hours ago, poundforpound said: I’m not a breeder but I know some very high profile breeders who seem to prefer a nice big “ roomy “ type of mare I guess the only issue with a small maiden mare might be the size of the pelvic cavity, if the foal was by a big stallion, but even then first foals are usually small, and nature is amazing in the way things like the public symphysis adapt, and they just pop the little buggers out I didn't know a female's symphysis was a public matter. Maybe the females you hang out with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 23, 2021 Tricky stuff this...Savabeel is by Zabeel (UK bred genes) out of a mare by an American stallion out of another import out of a mare by a French stallion out of a mare by Todman. 5So we've gone back 5 generations before we hit an Aussie bred horse. But here's the weird part, Todman was by a UK sprinter out of a UK mare. Go figure... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, Berri said: Tricky stuff this...Savabeel is by Zabeel (UK bred genes) out of a mare by an American stallion out of another import out of a mare by a French stallion out of a mare by Todman. 5So we've gone back 5 generations before we hit an Aussie bred horse. But here's the weird part, Todman was by a UK sprinter out of a UK mare. Go figure... That old chestnut….you sure they’re not from Turley, Syria and Yemen ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 23, 2021 9 hours ago, poundforpound said: That old chestnut….you sure they’re not from Turley, Syria and Yemen ? Turkey…my little fat fucking fingers again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 24, 2021 Aaaahhhhh ....you're now talking Akhal Teke...the Golden horse....now that's some breed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhal-Teke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 24, 2021 19 hours ago, Leggy said: I didn't know a female's symphysis was a public matter. Maybe the females you hang out with? Auto correct is my worst enema Leggy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, Berri said: Aaaahhhhh ....you're now talking Akhal Teke...the Golden horse....now that's some breed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhal-Teke Exactly your type, long, weak, narrow, and bred for endurance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 24, 2021 Long, weak, narrow b. ut as good as you get when it comes to intelligence courage and raw ability in any discipline. Better than a 1000m squib that makes it for 10 starts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...