poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 53 minutes ago, Archer said: And there goes the Mayoral train, leaving Britomart and plummeting off the Viaduct wharf .............. Not really, it just gets tedious after a while when you’re arguing with someone who pretends they were an academic of some substance, but in reality he was a Massey student counsellor …nothing more As I said initially it was a thread for a laugh, but I’ve stopped laughing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermoy 226 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 11 hours ago, 6xes said: whats wrong? the truth of vaccines becoming too real for you?? Here's the stats in NZ as of Wednesday 8-9-21. 855 delta covid cases 702 of these were unvaccinated - 83% 115 had had 1st vaccine shot - 13% 38 had had both shots - 4% Simple, if you dont want Covid get Vaccinated. Goodison, chelseacol, Gruff and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, poundforpound said: Not really, it just gets tedious after a while when you’re arguing with someone who pretends they were an academic of some substance, but in reality he was a Massey student counsellor …nothing more As I said initially it was a thread for a laugh, but I’ve stopped laughing That's partly true indeed Leo but I'm still laughing. Sorry you are not. It's unusual for you but this time you seem to have no substance to your argument. 100 1 and fermoy 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, Leggy said: That's partly true indeed Leo but I'm still laughing. It's unusual for you but this time you seem to have no substance to your argument. I think those of us who didn’t drop out of Uni can see the argument I have is compelling Science is science, mRNA and similar technology is rock solid, it’s a scientific fact that vaccination reduces infection rates, reduces hospitalization rates, reduces morbidity, and reduces the spread of the virus If you can’t understand that you should maybe put that bottle down, and go bury your head in some text books, or read some papers from, for example, The Lancet Even a dropout can understand this Hospitalisation among vaccine breakthrough COVID-19 infections - The Lancet Infectious Diseases https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00558-2/fulltext fermoy and Goodison 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, poundforpound said: I think those of us who didn’t drop out of Uni can see the argument I have is compelling Science is science, mRNA and similar technology is rock solid, it’s a scientific fact that vaccination reduces infection rates, reduces hospitalization rates, reduces morbidity, and reduces the spread of the virus If you can’t understand that you should maybe put that bottle down, and go bury your head in some text books, or read some papers from, for example, The Lancet Even a dropout can understand this Hospitalisation among vaccine breakthrough COVID-19 infections - The Lancet Infectious Diseases https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00558-2/fulltext Doesn't sound like any panacea. . Overall, although vaccines have undoubtedly conferred widespread protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection worldwide, future studies are needed to identify and mitigate factors that are associated with inadequate vaccine response in those with breakthrough infections. fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Leggy said: Doesn't sound like any panacea. . Overall, although vaccines have undoubtedly conferred widespread protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection worldwide, future studies are needed to identify and mitigate factors that are associated with inadequate vaccine response in those with breakthrough infections. I’ll invest my faith and trust in The Lancet, a powerful peer reviewed scholarly article, rather than a drop out retired counsellor wearing a tin foil hat I doubt many would disagree with me, and if they do they’re fools like you Did you even read the article, did you understand it, or are you guessing and pretending again ? fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 1 1,386 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, poundforpound said: I’ll invest my faith and trust in The Lancet, a peer reviewed scholarly article, rather than a drop out retired counsellor wearing a tin foil hat I doubt many would disagree with me, and if they do they’re fools like you Haha Is this the same Lancet that tried to do a hitjob on HCQ but then had to retract it because it was all bs https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study Gruff and 6xes 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, poundforpound said: I’ll invest my faith and trust in The Lancet, a powerful peer reviewed scholarly article, rather than a drop out retired counsellor wearing a tin foil hat I doubt many would disagree with me, and if they do they’re fools like you Did you even read the article, did you understand it, or are you guessing and pretending again ? I take it that resorting to personal attacks means that you have run out of any substantive argument on the topic. scoobysnacks, Gruff and 100 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Leggy said: I take it that resorting to personal attacks means that you have run out of any substantive argument on the topic. The argument is in that Lancet paper…I can’t be held responsible if you lack the intellect and skill to read and understand it It’s The Lancet, it’s the medical bible ….remind me what your comparative qualifications are again Brent ? The Lancet - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lancet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, poundforpound said: The argument is in that Lancet paper…I can’t be held responsible if you lack the intellect and skill to read and understand it It’s The Lancet, it’s the medical bible ….remind me what your comparative qualifications are again Brent ? I'm not opposed to mass vaccination. Just don't think it's a panacea or even very significant as yet. If you like the Lancet, see here: Israel's experience provides impetus for countries to proactively pursue high vaccine coverage to protect the population; Have you read the critiques of the Lancet article you cite? however, rollout would need to follow the WHO prioritisation roadmap to maximise the public health impact, in light of vaccine supply constraints. More post-introduction vaccine effectiveness studies will be required. Timely reporting of vaccine effectiveness against variants of concern, the duration of protection across age groups and geographical settings, and the effectiveness of alternative dosing regimens is crucial to provide data-driven immunisation policies. ..https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00558-2/fulltext Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Leggy said: I'm not opposed to mass vaccination. Just don't think it's a panacea or even very significant as yet. If you like the Lancet, see here: Israel's experience provides impetus for countries to proactively pursue high vaccine coverage to protect the population; Have you read the critiques of the Lancet article you cite? however, rollout would need to follow the WHO prioritisation roadmap to maximise the public health impact, in light of vaccine supply constraints. More post-introduction vaccine effectiveness studies will be required. Timely reporting of vaccine effectiveness against variants of concern, the duration of protection across age groups and geographical settings, and the effectiveness of alternative dosing regimens is crucial to provide data-driven immunisation policies. ..https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00558-2/fulltext Yep Vaccination for SARS-CoV-2 is highly effective against infection with SARS-CoV-2 or hospitalisation with COVID-19. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, fermoy said: Here's the stats in NZ as of Wednesday 8-9-21. 855 delta covid cases 702 of these were unvaccinated - 83% 115 had had 1st vaccine shot - 13% 38 had had both shots - 4% Simple, if you dont want Covid get Vaccinated. Don;t forget that is with less than 30% of the population now vaccinated. Much less in relation to those figures. fermoy, dock leaf and Gruff 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 3 hours ago, poundforpound said: Not really, it just gets tedious after a while when you’re arguing with someone who pretends they were an academic of some substance, but in reality he was a Massey student counsellor …nothing more What you say is true but that was 15 years or so ago. I also had roles in Ireland and Kentucky picking up shit and mucking out boxes. I'm not sure that any of that affects my abiliy to contribute to this debate. Gruff, scoobysnacks and meomy 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 Pearls before swine I suspect, but I may as well put it here Covid 19 coronavirus: Denmark's high vaccination rate lifts all restrictions on the nations domestic travel - NZ Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-denmarks-high-vaccination-rate-lifts-all-restrictions-on-the-nations-domestic-travel/DKPK6DFSKWCEYJFVTHVI4LPVPU/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 This thread as amusing as it has been, and as confusing as it is, clearly shows the difficulty of humans and opinions. The same Vax or not to Vax arguments, and the outcomes, are occurring in cities all over NZ. Smart people are arguing with similar people and therefore dumb people sit and wait. It's somewhat reasonable to have these arguments however, it's not getting anyone anywhere. Covid has killed more people than the Vaccine has and since the vaccinations have started way less people have died. I don't mind if you vaccinate or take the risk, the government supports the vaccine and so it should simply open up and prove its rhetoric to NZers that the vaccine, which it is pushing, works. fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Phillipe said: This thread as amusing as it has been, and as confusing as it is, clearly shows the difficulty of humans and opinions. The same Vax or not to Vax arguments, and the outcomes, are occurring in cities all over NZ. Smart people are arguing with similar people and therefore dumb people sit and wait. It's somewhat reasonable to have these arguments however, it's not getting anyone anywhere. Covid has killed more people than the Vaccine has and since the vaccinations have started way less people have died. I don't mind if you vaccinate or take the risk, the government supports the vaccine and so it should simply open up and prove its rhetoric to NZers that the vaccine, which it is pushing, works. This government is arguably very poorly advised by the DGOH & MOH, see Waitakere and Middlemore hospital fiascos as examples of how inept they are, however if you look globally, Scandinavia is of particular interest, but it’s the same in most countries, there is absolute evidence that the double vaxx reduces infection rates, hospitalisations & deaths That’s only going to get better with new vaccine options like Novavax, and the DNA plasmid technology Israel is of great interest to those of us who’re deep into this, they’ve got some interesting regimes using third boosters, and some innovative treatment options that are getting outstanding results The Jewish nation is quite a marvel when it comes to innovation Israeli scientists move closer to averting deadly immune overreaction to COVID | The Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-scientists-move-closer-to-averting-deadly-immune-overreaction-to-covid/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 And a bit more light reading NZ is getting Novavax, and for the cynics and nutters this older style of vaccine technology has less to worry about Novavax Is Now the Best COVID-19 Vaccine - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/ https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619276/ Leggy, Gruff and dock leaf 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, poundforpound said: Pearls before swine I suspect, but I may as well put it here Covid 19 coronavirus: Denmark's high vaccination rate lifts all restrictions on the nations domestic travel - NZ Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-denmarks-high-vaccination-rate-lifts-all-restrictions-on-the-nations-domestic-travel/DKPK6DFSKWCEYJFVTHVI4LPVPU/ Yes be interesting to see how that goes. https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300404785/covid19-denmark-lifts-all-domestic-restrictions-citing-high-vaccination-rate?cid=app-android Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 44 minutes ago, poundforpound said: And a bit more light reading NZ is getting Novavax, and for the cynics and nutters this older style of vaccine technology has less to worry about Novavax Is Now the Best COVID-19 Vaccine - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/ https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619276/ Yeahh...still hanging on for Medsafe to approve it. It's a real vaccine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,389 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 Middlemore is a natural place for Covid to thrive. It has long been taken over by cultural more's. The rellies live in and the staff let them. 10 to a room, they use your room and toilet, eat f and c in the lounge and leave shit there. They sleep in the lounge. Sunday more pour in for prayer meetings and singing. If you live SE like we do you have the jab. Be more scared of hospital than the lurgy. Patiti, dock leaf and Pam Robson 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Nerula said: Middlemore is a natural place for Covid to thrive. It has long been taken over by cultural more's. The rellies live in and the staff let them. 10 to a room, they use your room and toilet, eat f and c in the lounge and leave shit there. They sleep in the lounge. Sunday more pour in for prayer meetings and singing. If you live SE like we do you have the jab. Be more scared of hospital than the lurgy. Did you see the prezzer where they asked Bloomfield and Jacinda about people allegedly having sex whilst visiting patients there ? As in a visitor shagging a patient Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted September 11, 2021 Within 2 weeks of the first miqs being set up, sexual favours for food and drink began, the security guards went straight to prison/lockup rules and took full advantage of the inmates/patients ..... And even after the PM and her cohorts found out the disgusting details, they still employed these guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted September 11, 2021 16 hours ago, poundforpound said: The argument is in that Lancet paper…I can’t be held responsible if you lack the intellect and skill to read and understand it It’s The Lancet, it’s the medical bible ….remind me what your comparative qualifications are again Brent ? The Lancet - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lancet Isnt it funny, how you backdown once you have been called out, and then try to offload the incorrect statements you made, to the very thing you trust!! is this the typical response we can expect from you? and then... go on the offensive with the higher education stick. grow a pair and admit you were wrong!! And yes the Hydroxy treatment is a valid treatment... thanks 100 1 scoobysnacks 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,694 Report post Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, 6xes said: Isnt it funny, how you backdown once you have been called out, and then try to offload the incorrect statements you made, to the very thing you trust!! is this the typical response we can expect from you? and then... go on the offensive with the higher education stick. grow a pair and admit you were wrong!! And yes the Hydroxy treatment is a valid treatment... thanks 100 1 the hydroxy is NOT a valid treatment unless you are a quack.....been discredited but you won't ever admit to that being a Donald supporter Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,759 Report post Posted September 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, 6xes said: Isnt it funny, how you backdown once you have been called out, and then try to offload the incorrect statements you made, to the very thing you trust!! is this the typical response we can expect from you? and then... go on the offensive with the higher education stick. grow a pair and admit you were wrong!! And yes the Hydroxy treatment is a valid treatment... thanks 100 1 These two Trump morons are never right….. Gruff and 6xes 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...