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Just now, Leggy said:

Yes. That will no doubt be the case. Unfortunately, the vaccinated with no or less symptoms will also be out there transmitting not knowing it, so given that it's hard to say whether control is possible in vaccinated populations.

There is sufficient data with the Pzifer vaccine to show that control isn't possible because the Pzifer vaccine isn't that effective.  The FDA and Pzifer know that from the data that was presented to the FDA for approval.  What's more that data did not have one single Delta infection recorded amongst the 44,000 trial participants.  The reason being that the data close off was early March and Delta was not widespread enough to infect trial participants.

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9 minutes ago, Chitty Chitty Bang said:

If the "Benefits of vaccine outweigh risks" why has the UK JCVI advised that the benefit of the vaccine for under 16's is insufficient to warrant mass vaccination of those aged 16 and under?

Good question CCBB. What's the answer?

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 4:23 PM, Leggy said:

Between 3 September 2021 and 9 September 2021, 272,334 people had a confirmed positive test result. This shows an increase of 15.3% compared to the previous 7 days

Between 30 August 2021 and 5 September 2021, 6,748 went into hospital with coronavirus. This shows an increase of 2.9% compared to the previous 7 days.

There were 167 deaths within 28 days of a positive test for coronavirus reported on 9 September 2021.

That's the Public Health England data with near 90% having had at least one vaccination.

90% of which age groups and where?
Have you noticed we were also told around 70% of people had a vaccine when it was only xyz age group?
It's misleading statistics

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26 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Because under 16 year olds don’t typically have impaired endothelial cells or comorbidities and thus they’re not as vulnerable 

Bullshit. The JVCI advised that vaccination was warranted for 12 -15 year olds where they had the following conditions.

  • haematological malignancy
  • sickle cell disease
  • type 1 diabetes
  • congenital heart disease
  • other health conditions as described below under ‘COVID-19 clinical risk groups for children aged 12 to 15 years’ (these health conditions reflect the basket of diagnoses used in the RCPCH and NHSE analyses mentioned above)

I agree that most chidren don't have those conditions. More but most adults don't have them either.

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32 minutes ago, Leggy said:

Good question CCBB. What's the answer?

 

 

 

It's still against the Law to vaccinate children under the Age of 16 in many countries around the world including USA, UK Australia and NZ, there's many a discussion online about this.

 Interesting Siouxsie Wiles has pushed for all people to get vaccinated regardless of age, in an Opinion piece of hers circulating online from a couple of year ago..She also had a dig at people not having children not been vaccinated and  her daughter taking home every other lurgy when her was under the age of 6 MONTHS from the  Day Care in the UK she herself placed her in when living in the UK..

Tell me any responsible parent who would leave a child who is naturally vulnerable in any Day Care centre under the age of 6 MONTHS who would not be aware of the risks involved?

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16 minutes ago, meomy said:

90% of which age groups and where?
Have you noticed we were also told around 70% of people had a vaccine when it was only xyz age group?
It's misleading statistics

Not sure what 90% you are referring to.

 

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8 minutes ago, Leggy said:

Bullshit. The JVCI advised that vaccination was warranted for 12 -15 year olds where they had the following conditions.

  • haematological malignancy
  • sickle cell disease
  • type 1 diabetes
  • congenital heart disease
  • other health conditions as described below under ‘COVID-19 clinical risk groups for children aged 12 to 15 years’ (these health conditions reflect the basket of diagnoses used in the RCPCH and NHSE analyses mentioned above)

I agree that most chidren don't have those conditions. More but most adults don't have them either.

We are aware of a person who has Type 1 Diabetes who is fearful as can be of Covid, in fact they are also fearful as hell about any adverse reactions to any untested Vaccines to, who can blame them?


They have had Type 1 since been a young child, we hardly ever hear about the challenges these people go through, let alone bc of these ongoing Lockdowns which have thrown their own healthcare programs out the door.

It's appalling not a peep out of Ardern, Bloomfield etc.

These people have needs we should all be aware of, including free use of Sports. Gym etc facilities to maintain their health.

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4 minutes ago, Leggy said:

What? Where did you get that idea from?

Look it up, there's legal challenges in Courts all over the place in relation to Covid19 vax and existing Laws, children need Parents/ Guardian's consent.

Use related Keywords in Ggle and they should pop up.

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4 minutes ago, meomy said:

Look it up, there's legal challenges in Courts all over the place in relation to Covid19 vax and existing Laws, children need Parents/ Guardian's consent.

Nope not in NZ.  A 12 year old can book their own vaccination appointment and if the medical "professional' administering the vaccine deems the child is mature enough to understand informed consent then the child can be vaccinated without their parents even knowing.

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16 minutes ago, meomy said:

Look it up, there's legal challenges in Courts all over the place in relation to Covid19 vax and existing Laws, children need Parents/ Guardian's consent.

Use related Keywords in Ggle and they should pop up.

I don't need to google. I'm fully aware of the consent law in NZ for health procedures. Children of any age can consent to any health procedure where they are deemed competent to do so and where not, their parents/guardians can consent on their behalf. Age has nothing to do with it.

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48 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Because under 16 year olds don’t typically have impaired endothelial cells or comorbidities and thus they’re not as vulnerable 

That may well be one of the reasons the JCVI have advised what they have.  However they have access to the same data as NZ and I would assume that NZ Health officials don't have any more than the JCVI.  So how did NZ come to a different decision?

Particularly in the absence of any RCT data or long term data regarding the effects of the vaccine on children.

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2 minutes ago, Chitty Chitty Bang said:

Nope not in NZ.  A 12 year old can book their own vaccination appointment and if the medical "professional' administering the vaccine deems the child is mature enough to understand informed consent then the child can be vaccinated without their parents even knowing.

Doubtful if it's legal under Rule of Laws in NZ, not even when there's a so called State of Emergency..we will leave that for the Legal Fraternity to see it's addressed, like they have in the UK...and USA where it's been deemed unlawful.

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4 minutes ago, meomy said:

Doubtful if it's legal under Rule of Laws in NZ, not even when there's a so called State of Emergency..we will leave that for the Legal Fraternity to see it's addressed, like they have in the UK...and USA where it's been deemed unlawful.

It's international human/chidren's rights law as above. And I'm not aware that has been overridden in the UK or USA either. Where did you see that?

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7 minutes ago, Chitty Chitty Bang said:

 

Particularly in the absence of any RCT data or long term data regarding the effects of the vaccine on children.

No intermediate or long term RCT data wrt adults either for that matter.

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15 hours ago, 6xes said:

In the United States of America, where the True battle for Freedom is occurring..

A Brave frontline ICU Nurse has come out to share what she is witnessing, where they are facing the dilemma of Vax up or you will be out the door..

Take note of everything she is standing up for... putting her job on the line is the mark of courage, uniting against the wannabe Hitlers of the world!!

You GO sister!!

https://rumble.com/vmbuxf-bombshel-exposure-icu-nurse-says-hospital-set-to-deny-care-to-unvaccinated.html

As we're seeing in the hospitals in Auckland, one slip with an unknown Covid positive case and we have doctors in isolation, nurses in isolation, other patient's lives in danger (remember, they're already in hospital) and wards closed. Yeah, real clever, but that's what we've come to expect from you and your self-centred self-serving moronic mates. 

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1 hour ago, Leggy said:

Gosh. Have you gone from the Lancet to the NZ Herald as a reliable source?

You prefer a poster on the internet, in this case Sue Grey, who is so sure of what she posted she takes it down after only a few hours?  

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6 minutes ago, Idolmite said:

As we're seeing in the hospitals in Auckland, one slip with an unknown Covid positive case and we have doctors in isolation, nurses in isolation, other patient's lives in danger (remember, they're already in hospital) and wards closed. Yeah, real clever, but that's what we've come to expect from you and your self-centred self-serving moronic mates. 

38,000 close contacts and 800 infections.  No deaths.

The isolations that you refer to are reactive but are they necessary?

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28 minutes ago, Chitty Chitty Bang said:

38,000 close contacts and 800 infections.  No deaths.

The isolations that you refer to are reactive but are they necessary?

I think it's closer to 900 cases, and 1 death from memory, but regardless, IMO yes they are. You may differ, but that's what opinions are all about. 

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