6xes 699 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Not if you’re practicing prophylactic medicine …which every decent practitioner worth his / her salt would and should be doing So when people got the flu, after getting a Flu-Jab... makes for great reasoning?? Is that what your saying? I wonder how many got the Flu-Jab and still got the Flu? *shrugs meomy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Not if you’re practicing prophylactic medicine …which every decent practitioner worth his / her salt would and should be doing Sure. But I don't think prophylaxis includes preventative treatment where the necessity of that treatment can be ruled out first. Seems unethical to me.to proceed with a tx that is not necessary if that can be easily established. Especially where the existing status is probably more effective than any treatment. meomy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, 6xes said: So when people got the flu, after getting a Flu-Jab... makes for great reasoning?? Is that what your saying? I wonder how many got the Flu-Jab and still got the Flu? *shrugs Anyone with a few active brain cells left knows that there are numerous strains of flu, more all the time, and that the flu jab cannot possibly catch every one. But it will catch most current strains, and maybe lessen the effects at least. fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Idolmite said: Anyone with a few active brain cells left knows that there are numerous strains of flu, more all the time, and that the flu jab cannot possibly catch every one. But it will catch most current strains, and maybe lessen the effects at least. exactly, and if you had a ounce of mathematics in you... you would understand the logic doesnt add up Shad 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Idolmite said: Anyone with a few active brain cells left knows that there are numerous strains of flu, more all the time, and that the flu jab cannot possibly catch every one. But it will catch most current strains, and maybe lessen the effects at least. The flu vaccine is probably about as effective as the Covid one depending on emerging variants. Probably barely meets criteria as an approved vaccine. US vaccine effectiveness by start year:[51][52][53][54] 2004 10% 2005 21% 2006 52% 2007 37% 2008 41% 2009 56% 2010 60% 2011 47% 2012 49% 2013 52% 2014 19% 2015 48% 2016 40% 2017 38% 2018 29% 2019 39% meomy, Pam Robson and dock leaf 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Idolmite said: But don't come crying on here when we can travel overseas, go to concerts and sporting events, restaurants and bars, and you can only go to the toilet. It is your choice, and some people (for medical reasons) cannot get the jab, making it even more important for those who can do, to do so. Man up and take one for the team, and help us all to get back to some sort of normal as soon as we can. Otherwise some will just see you as selfish and only interested in yourself and not humanity.. Your choice. Wow ....... all that time I thought YOU had a semblance of intelligence, but, obviously I was wrong ...... wayyyyyyyyy wrong. meomy and dock leaf 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, 6xes said: exactly, and if you had a ounce of mathematics in you... you would understand the logic doesnt add up Oh believe me when I tell you I'm pretty good at maths. 6xes 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 On 9/8/2021 at 12:08 PM, Littletramp said: Seems like open slather on this thread now, so here's one man's opinion on what is going on. The "Covid" experience reminds me a little bit of the smoking experience in the early part of the 20th century. The media and hype was all green lights meant go for smoking as the tobacco industry was funding/greasing palms of sports, politicians, TV advertising was new etc. It had little exposed negative vibe, except the cigarette manufacturers always knew the big secret & politicians turned a blind eye, played the game as they needed the money for re-election, as they do now. It's called reality of life. I see current events as a multi dimensional occurrence. Dimension 1) "Covid" starts when the US is playing around in labs with viruses in China & developing vaccines at the same time, probably thinking of progress rather than of evil. They have a whoops and a virus gets out into the real world - SHIT how did that happen! Political survival kicks in and the spin & blame game starts blah, blah blah. The US are in this up to their eyeballs but it really does not matter. We (world population) now have to deal with it in our lives. Dimension 2) Reality is we now have a real health threat on the loose and need to deal with it. They had already been working on various vaccine options alongside playing with the virus mutations, so a viable remedy was quickly available and was released through FDA faster than normal. The USA is the most corrupt place on the planet, but that does not mean we don't have a real virus and although we have all been manipulated into using these vaccines, that is the way it is and we must move forward older & wiser. Just resist any illogical rights & freedoms that they try and grab on the way. Dimension 3) Politics and power. Big pharma has sold the world governments the vaccines required to wrest back some control of life's flow, for the usual inflated prices as taxpayers are footing the bill & pharma has research & development and adequate shareholder returns to recover. The govts would be hard pressed to "sell" the vaccine (and probably not even supplied), if it becomes known too early or promoted that effective treatment protocols do exist and are an option so it suppresses info regarding treatment options, emphasizes the downside of the virus and goes for the "scare the shit out of everyone" approach. The vaccines work, the treatments work, the virus affects some more than others and all these things are true at once, so here we are. Dimension 4) This has all happenstance occured at a time when world finance systems were already stressed to the max via years of outrageous debt leveraging pumping asset prices to crazy levels. The "Covid" pandemic has given all sorts of opportunists in positions of power a timely excuse for almost unlimited access/excuse to siphon off taxpayer funds, which they have seized on with reckless abandon & total disregard for the common man in the street. Apart from being able to restock their future election campaign fund war chests, they (most govts worldwide) have been able to delay the dilemma of meeting obligations for entitlements (superannuation, unemployment benefits,healthcare & infrastructure commitments, etc) by hiding them temporarily in "Covid" funded debt. If you think the health issue is a problem, just wait for the financial shit to hit the fan, and it's close. Mouthpieces are all pretending the present/coming inflation is due to "covid" supply issues but it is simply due to the gross amounts of excess money they have all created, without any increased productivity. The vast inequality gap/gulf between asset holders and the "hoi polloi" is hidden under a thin veneer with the co-operation of the complicit media. Where to next - no one is in control and no one know the right answers, as there are too many moving parts. My suggestion: Do what you personally think is best for yourself and those you care about, and respect everyone else's right to do the same. The answers to your questions can be found looking up Helen CHU Seattle Community Influenza Project started in 2018 - pop up kiosks, ( they call them Hubs in NZ) face masks and Vax cards required to attend sports in Seattle, Pink hair Wiles rubber stamped her works and did the Flatten the curve graph for Seattle which appeared on 3rd MARCH 2020. Shaun Handy has just been gifted around $6 million grant to lead South Pacific Influenza Project which is a continuation of Covid19 lessons - see Scoop Media release 2 August and coinciding with Kiri Hannifin Countdown closures and arrival of Delta . Christine Lagarde, European Central Bank on twitter this week has said they need another $50 billion to vaccinate the rest of the world - as in those in poor countries. There's also an interesting interview with Klaus Schwab and her that is in Time magazine this week. Lagarde started Carbon Credit scheme, and doesn't eat meat, maybe Groundswell should invite her to live on a New Zealand farm without access to the internet for 6 months to give her a wake up call. She was also in deep crap re Adidas. Sorry guys but you are not traveling yet despite having a vaccine, Climate Change comes first and you are under the control of those Mad Scientists and these people for a while longer yet. Why are we in New Zealand all effectively been provided with a Flu Vaccine when we have the best fruit, vegetables and meat and milk in the world and a good climate? Why are we not been 'Kind' AND giving our Vaccines to those in poorer countries? 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meomy 971 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Berri said: It's probable that Fauci endorsed the program at that lab to study Corona viruses It's probable that some of the funding came from the US, with Fauci's support It's also probable that the virus escaped accidentally It's probable that it wasn't a natural genetic development, as despite a squillion bats and pangolins being tested, the current version of the Corona virus hasn't been detected anywhere naturally. Occam's Razor comes to mind on this one. It's probable that the Wuhan Lab completed a 4 splice gene manipulation on the known Corona virus'. It's probable that the virus will mutate sequentially another 4 times if there are currently only 4 sequential mutations. That is why 8 is a lucky number in history It's probable that Darwin hasn't had anything to do with the actual sequential execution of the deliverance of the virus It's very definite that this government has no idea of what it is doing....why might you ask this? I went to a testing lab. I asked whether I could get a blood test to find out whether I had Covid antibodies present. I was told I couldn't. I asked why not. I was told they weren't authorised to do so. I said I would pay. They said no. I escalated it and sent a note to the health ministry. I am awaiting a response. Why would I get inoculated if I have already had it? Why has this not been discussed as this is immunity 101. PFP....what say you? To others, request this info on FYI.org so they have to publicly answer the same question @Berri has asked then it's on a well frequented public forum for everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Leggy said: I don't really understand why they don't check for existing Covid antibodies first, before putting people at risk of unknown intermediate and long term risks from an experimental "vaccine". Because they just see fame and fortune. We have unfortunately got some of the most uneducated people advising on Policy and running New Zealand's Parliament, along with a few other countries throughout the world. It's overdue long standing Public Health Advisors were held to account - They are likely on old contracts so they will get 6 months sick leave, 4 weeks plus holidays and stand to get sizable Superannuation payments if we don't hold them to account and get them sacked. They also likely get paid Easter Tuesday and have a day off in lieu. BTW, Spain has a Socialist PM and they have had all manner of problems with AZ. Why did Spain have 7.2 million excess vaccines? Oversupply from faulty Modelling? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, meomy said: To others, request this info on FYI.org so they have to publicly answer the same question @Berri has asked then it's on a well frequented public forum for everyone. very handy site to know about... https://fyi.org.nz thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 As Professionals in Medicine say, First Do No Harm, Bloomfield needs to be held to account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 Darwin has had a big day rounding you lot up…… fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 an interesting legal battle is awaiting a judgement surrounding the government Vaccine roll-out. https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/high-court-hears-arguments-over-legality-vaccine-rollout edit: judgement has already been determined.. *ahem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 does anyone know what happened in this instance? and what the Government did? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2021/08/17/nz-100-confirmed-deaths-2-per-day-on-average-100s-injuries-heart-attack-stroke-clots-important-info-on-what-you-can-do-citizens-register/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 Sue Grey is doing some great work for Nz'ers... thanks for posting that Leggy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 there would seem to be a discrepency in the reporting of numbers, but thats understandable... given 1 months difference im sure people would be interested in numbers... https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-23.asp?fbclid=IwAR3jeMuZDEvPG8kZ5Vhsj3CiB2yUelMsro7JKQgS3EKUlnzg9_RYEHvaZ5g Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 Leggy are you claiming there’s evidence of 100 + deaths resulting from Covid vaccinations in NZ ?? Do you support the article you posted ?? Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 I like to deal in facts and raw data. I have quite a few holes in the net that don't make any sense and I'm struggling. I'm not an anti vaxer, so let's make that clear. The original governmental instruction was get a jab and you will be 95% protected from Covid. A number of complaints were made to the Advertising Complaints Authority stating that this wasn't correct. A member of the 70 strong personnel spin team (yes that is 70!!!) currently contracted to manage media on behalf of Ardern, responded saying that the interpretation was a mistake, but gave a twist to this. Then it was promoted that a second jab would be needed and the explanation was that 2 jabs would make sure that you wouldn't end up in hospital, and it would protect you from dying. Watching TV One last night which had a shot with Ardern, the President of Spain and Bill Gates sitting next to each other made great press and made you start to wonder how we got those jabs, but let's not get distracted and look at the facts. The killing season is the winter. That is why Dec-March in the northern hemisphere has all the action and down here May-September. The US is slightly different because its geography extends over quite some latitudinal territory. Same could be said for France as northern and southern have different climates. So most influenza related deaths occur during this time. Then we have been told that two jabs keep us out of hospital. Israel is without doubt the most jabbed up country with 94% of the adult populations receiving two jabs. So why is this happening? This comes from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ where all the so called corona deaths are recorded. Corona related deaths are currently nearly 75% of the amount of deaths when the virus was in full swing in winter but everyone has had 2 jabs. Compare this with Sweden, who notoriously didn't shut down and maintained they wanted natural immunity The amasing part of all of this is the effect that the virus has had in the Scandinavian countries. This comes from https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps which records excess deaths, not just covid. You've really got to decide whether there are more people dying because of Covid, or whether this is just part of the life game that Darwin dreamt up.. Here's the UK and Italy for comparison Now what's interesting is that there are some correlations with health conditions and corona deaths. Heart issue and obesity are front stage for death targets and severe hospitalisation. But you have to wonder why the Scandinavian countries have the data they have. Someone said they got pissed more often because of the lack of sunlight. That's not true if you look at the stats. But they do have a very big health program (just remember they are among the highest GDP nations on the planet) and Vitamin D features heavily in that program. Vitamin D is what you get short of if you don't have sunlight so they heavily supplement themselves with it. I know that statistically this does not counter any Darwinist argument, but why isn't our Cindy and her disciples selling a health restoration program to make sure that prevention is better than cure? We have one of the highest obesity programs in the OEDC. Seems to me we're not travelling down the right path and that is one of good common sense....makes you wonder why the horse industry matters?!?!!! Insider, dock leaf and 6xes 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Leggy are you claiming there’s evidence of 100 + deaths resulting from Covid vaccinations in NZ ?? Do you support the article you posted ?? https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-24.asp#death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 Berri Cut away all the rubbish and only look at three things when you’re comparing Covid data 1. Vaccination rates v unvaccinated 2. Hospitalization rates 3. Mortality rates Correlate all three and you’ll find everything you need to know ….compare and contrast the path from point 1 to point 3…..that data does not lie Idolmite and fermoy 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Berri said: https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-24.asp#death Yep, it says it all in the intro An AEFI is an untoward medical event which follows immunisation and does not necessarily have a causal relationship with the administration of the vaccine. The adverse event may be an unfavourable or unintended sign, abnormal laboratory finding, symptom or disease. One single death attributed to the vaccine, myocarditis if that matters Check out the age distribution too …..this vaccine is so safe fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 Covid 19 Delta outbreak: How many cases needing hospital care were vaccinated? - NZ Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-delta-outbreak-how-many-cases-needing-hospital-care-were-vaccinated/WEI6LAG2HG3KXM4BNK6W2BFM64/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Berri Cut away all the rubbish and only look at three things when you’re comparing Covid data 1. Vaccination rates v unvaccinated 2. Hospitalization rates 3. Mortality rates Correlate three and you’ll find everything you need to know ….compare and contrast the path from point 1 to point 3…..that data does not lie I agree. But what I can't understand is that after 94% double jab vaccination program during the summer months leads to 75% of the daily deaths (in the winter) when the virus first hit ... You've got to be asking yourself why? Leggy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...