JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 The state’s premier jockey Jamie Kah is among four riders sensationally stood down by Racing Victoria late on Thursday night in relation to a rogue Mornington house party on Wednesday night. Group 1 star Ben Melham, Ethan Brown and talented apprentice Celine Gaudray, along with Kah, cannot ride for the next 14 days after attending the Airbnb past the 9pm greater Melbourne curfew. The jockeys, who defied the State Government “stay at home directions”, were at the short-stay rental with two other non-licensed people. Stewards have launched an inquiry into the alleged illegal gathering, which was in breach of not only current racing regulations, but also and more importantly the State Government orders. RV chief medical officer Gary Zimmerman rubber-stamped the 14-day stand down on Thursday night, which results in Kah and Melham losing the rides on Group 1 Memsie Stakes favourite Behemoth and Beau Rossa respectively. Gruff and Patiti 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 On Friday, police issued six $5452 fines in relation to the incident. More to come form Racing Vic stewards? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 Yes and many more have been through the system in Australia. If you follow the discussions online in Australia, many are asking for these situations to be put on hold until there's clarity. As a matter of interest, how do they test to identify what strain it is from a virus that has never ever been isolated in a Laboratory? as is required Laws< including that of Public Health Acts> Here's some others, including where application of LAW has been questioned and decisions changed accordingly. Innocent until proven guilty is Rule of Law not the other way around. Supreme Court of Western Australian from Legal Institute databases. http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/wa/WASC/2021/280.html CPS finds improvements coronavirus charging compliance 15 June 2020 https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/cps-review-finds-improvements-coronavirus-charging-compliance This from May 2020 CPS announces review findings first 200 cases under Coronavirus Laws https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/cps-announces-review-findings-first-200-cases-under-coronavirus-laws Gruff and Breeder 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 So in the latest move the jockeys involved have been suspended till November 25th by Racing Vic Stewards Very expensive mistake by Kah especially. They all miss the entire spring carnival in both states Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 Seems an extraordinarily harsh penalty based on the information available meomy, Memphis3, Tauhei Notts and 2 others 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, poundforpound said: Seems an extraordinarily harsh penalty based on the information available I bet no other jockey tries it on and if they did give them 6 months , 3 for the offence and 3 for stupidity. In the interim , racing will carry on in Victoria despite the stupidity of the named Jockeys. Would the relevant govt authorities let them carry on if there was a next time.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: I bet no other jockey tries it on and if they did give them 6 months , 3 for the offence and 3 for stupidity. In the interim , racing will carry on in Victoria despite the stupidity of the named Jockeys. Would the relevant govt authorities let them carry on if there was a next time.? What exactly do you think they’re guilty of to warrant such a penalty ? There are no Police charges….just an instant fine ….. It reads rather like an act of revenge initiated by “an ex”. Am I missing something ? Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
say no more 2,630 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 Have been following Celine Gaudray's mounts recently. Rides very well and might have a good future. meomy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 looks to me shes acknowledged the wrong and moved on!! JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimbo 732 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 36 minutes ago, 6xes said: looks to me shes acknowledged the wrong and moved on!! Moving on nearly half a million dollars poorer for it. She's not the only one doing it hard though. John Allen has to somehow get down to 55 kg for Ayrton in the last because of what she did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 14 hours ago, JJ Flash said: The state’s premier jockey Jamie Kah is among four riders sensationally stood down by Racing Victoria late on Thursday night in relation to a rogue Mornington house party on Wednesday night. Group 1 star Ben Melham, Ethan Brown and talented apprentice Celine Gaudray, along with Kah, cannot ride for the next 14 days after attending the Airbnb past the 9pm greater Melbourne curfew. The jockeys, who defied the State Government “stay at home directions”, were at the short-stay rental with two other non-licensed people. Stewards have launched an inquiry into the alleged illegal gathering, which was in breach of not only current racing regulations, but also and more importantly the State Government orders. RV chief medical officer Gary Zimmerman rubber-stamped the 14-day stand down on Thursday night, which results in Kah and Melham losing the rides on Group 1 Memsie Stakes favourite Behemoth and Beau Rossa respectively. Are these Jockeys the Dumb or Stupid or is it the rest of the Population Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 10 hours ago, poundforpound said: What exactly do you think they’re guilty of to warrant such a penalty ? There are no Police charges….just an instant fine ….. It reads rather like an act of revenge initiated by “an ex”. Am I missing something ? See 6exs above post by JK Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 682 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 Would have bean different if they wore BLM t-shirts and spoke in a woke tongue. meomy, JJ Flash, Midget and 3 others 3 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 In all reasonability, these perpetrators should appeal. First offence and no harm done, it would seem a more reasonable outcome to stand them down for 14 days and expect two clear tests. Did the motor vehicle department of Victoria remove their drivers license for three months? Were they banned from the supermarkets for three months? Could any other business in Australia or NZ stand down an employee for three months, on no pay, for a transgression NOT at the workplace? David Clark would be quaking reading this given his breach of the law.. he receives ("earned" didn't seem a correct use of the word) 200k a year? So he would have dropped 50k. He lost nothing. There are a lot more examples of highly placed people not abiding the LD rules. RV overreacted. Simple. meomy, Black Kirrama, swampfox and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, Phillipe said: In all reasonability, these perpetrators should appeal. First offence and no harm done, it would seem a more reasonable outcome to stand them down for 14 days and expect two clear tests Racing Victoria (RV) Stewards have today concluded an inquiry into the conduct of licensed jockeys Ethan Brown, Jamie Kah and Ben Melham and apprentice jockey Celine Gaudray upon receipt of information of possible breaches of COVID-19 protocols. The Stewards yesterday charged Ethan Brown, Celine Gaudray, Jamie Kah and Ben Melham with breaching AR 232(b) which reads as follows: AR 232 Failure to observe processes and directions of PRAs or Stewards (b) fail or refuse to comply with an order, direction or requirement of the Stewards or an official The particulars of the charge are summarised as follows: On 25 August 2021, Jamie Kah, Ethan Brown, Ben Melham and Celine Gaudray were present at an “Airbnb” in Mornington after 9pm with two other non-licensed individuals. This conduct is in breach of the current State Government Regulations (namely the Stay at Home Directions) which prohibit private gatherings for persons not otherwise living with one another. The conduct is also in breach of the imposed curfew for Metropolitan Melbourne. Racing Victoria’s COVID Protocols state that any failure to comply with State Government Regulations will be deemed to be a failure or refusal to comply with an order, direction, or requirement of the Stewards or an official. The Stewards continued their inquiry this morning with all four jockeys pleading guilty to their respective charges. Stewards heard submissions on penalty and after doing so took into consideration their guilty pleas, each of the riders’ personal circumstances, that this was their first offence of this nature, that any suspension this time of year includes missing feature race meetings, and that the individuals expressed remorse. The Stewards also took into consideration the serious nature of the offending, the potential severe ramifications that could flow from a breach of Racing Victoria’s COVID-19 Protocols, and that the penalty must be sufficient enough to deter others from breaching the COVID-19 Protocols. The penalty must also be seen to publicly address the seriousness of the offending and make clear that compliance with the COVID-19 Protocols is non-negotiable. Taking into account the above considerations, the Stewards have determined that all four jockeys will have their licence to ride in races suspended for a period of three months. The suspension begins at midnight on 26 August 2021 and will expire at midnight on 25 November 2021. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: On 25 August 2021, Jamie Kah, Ethan Brown, Ben Melham and Celine Gaudray were present at an “Airbnb” in Mornington after 9pm with two other non-licensed individuals. That statement - which is the summary of facts - alone should probably condemn them to a hanging! What happened to the NON licensed individuals? that committed the same crime?? Were they fined the equivalent $$ loss the other have endured?? It is a reasonably good fine for every Australian who breeches the LD rules, in NZ it's a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, if you are a jockey, they destroy your life. Three months is too tough May the first man throw a stone.. Memphis3, Midget and meomy 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 43 minutes ago, Phillipe said: That statement - which is the summary of facts - alone should probably condemn them to a hanging! What happened to the NON licensed individuals? that committed the same crime?? Were they fined the equivalent $$ loss the other have endured?? It is a reasonably good fine for every Australian who breeches the LD rules, in NZ it's a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, if you are a jockey, they destroy your life. Three months is too tough May the first man throw a stone.. You clearly have a reading deficiency. The judgement and Kahs tweet says it all. They potentially jeopardised the States ability to carry out racing whilst the state is under lock down. If that's what you want your not the full quid or from NSW or both Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 Their actions could have closed down racing Australia wide. Seems very severe but message sent Grego and JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 JJF, thanks, I have to say you are certainly more clever than you look.. The well reported actions of Rugby League players in Australia six nights a week is cause for covid restriction concern - even RL players have one night at home - yet they get away with 14 days and two tests. And a badge of honour in the newspaper. The punishments to RL players who transgress are sanctioned by RLNSW, who's boss is Racing NSW boss.. a prescient therefore already set in NSW, you would have to assume.. it's a pity for these guys the boss of the AFL, who have also had several "brain fade" covid antics, by players, is not the boss of RV... I have never said what they did was right, simply that the punishment does not fit the crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, Phillipe said: JJF, thanks, I have to say you are certainly more clever than you look.. Another bizarre comment from you, given you have no idea of my identity. 33 minutes ago, Phillipe said: I have never said what they did was right, simply that the punishment does not fit the crime. The guilty parties obviously dont agree with you, no sign of any appeals as yet?? Suggest you read Kahs tweet- again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,693 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 My thoughts are rules are rules...right or wrong thats the rules...they chose to break them at their own risk...hope the night was worth risking the spring for..... Idolmite and JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: 1 hour ago, Phillipe said: JJF, thanks, I have to say you are certainly more clever than you look.. Another bizarre comment from you, given you have no idea of my identity. 1 hour ago, Phillipe said: You'll have to think about that one a little longer JJ, but as a hint, if your brains were dynamite, you would hardly blow your hat off.. bestbets and JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: My thoughts are rules are rules...right or wrong thats the rules...they chose to break them at their own risk...hope the night was worth risking the spring for..... You are correct, however you simply cannot move the prescient of 14 days and two clear tests to a new high of $5000 fine, 12 weeks off work and a silent fine of a few hundred thousand. That's a bit naughty by any legal standard. meomy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 Can't agree with you Phillipe, Their actions potentially put many thousands of jobs at risk if racing nationwide in Australia was to be closed down. They knew the rules and openly flouted. No sympathy within racing ranks I am sure. Surely is a tough suspension but a message had to be sent and it has been as there is simply too much at risk bestbets and JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, TurnyTom said: Can't agree with you Phillipe, Their actions potentially put many thousands of jobs at risk if racing nationwide in Australia was to be closed down. They knew the rules and openly flouted. No sympathy within racing ranks I am sure. Surely is a tough suspension but a message had to be sent and it has been as there is simply too much at risk In NSW from next Friday you can get married with five guests in attendance. That's a total of seven people from potentially different residences all getting together.. I guess it cannot be a couple of jockeys getting married... Imagine the potential threat to racing.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...