Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted July 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, Berri said: Obviously the data doesn't come from New Zealand because we simply don't have any race courses that can take more that 20 horses, let alone 24. Three 8 horse races will produce less betting than three 24 horse fields. Three 24 horse fields that are distance racing produces more betting that three 24 horse sprint fields. Of course 72 runners in 3 events will produce more revenue than 24 horses in 3 events. But you are not listening or comparing apples with apples. If you have 24 potential runners, where is the data from anywhere that suggests 1 24 horse race for them will produce more revenue than 3 8 horse events. I don't think it exists. If you are not dreaming as it seems, then post the data that indicates that. JJ Flash and tasman man 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukkledragga 229 Report post Posted July 26, 2021 58 minutes ago, Berri said: Obviously the data doesn't come from New Zealand because we simply don't have any race courses that can take more that 20 horses, let alone 24. Three 8 horse races will produce less betting than three 24 horse fields. Three 24 horse fields that are distance racing produces more betting that three 24 horse sprint fields. In New Zealand 3 18 horse fields produces more betting than three 14 horse fields and when they are distance races the pattern fits as previously described. So why would you even consider limiting the potential race field numbers to 14, and just as importantly, why would you ensure that you couldn't start a race at the 2400m mark? I think you blokes don't get the math's, human behavior and the data. Horse numbers are obviously a serious issue in NZ. I've just been going through the stallion book of 1980 and compared everything with 1993. You want to see the degradation of an industry you just need to read those two books. When Hogan, O'Sullivan and I made our infamous presentation to the RIB in 1993, we debated for days whether we should shock the RIB that we though the foal crop might dip below 5,000. Hogan said go hard, make it 4,000. Now look at it! I can only speak for myself when I say I would prefer 14 over 24 every day of the week,why would I bet on a race where my chances of winning are lessened by a bigger field,some tracks have obvious biases and I am discouraged by cambridge being fair to all runners,I want it to be as easy as possible to WIN,that is the math that adds up in my book,some horses favour certain tracks and no doubt there will be new track specialists along with the new tracks just like the rest of world racing,some of the things being painted as negative by some can be a bigger postive for others,time will tell the tale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobbly 76 Report post Posted July 26, 2021 No surprise to see a successful, and likely fiscally comfortable, trainer singing the praises of synthetic tracks Stemming the flow of owners selling/moving horses off-shore must be great for business?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJESTIC 179 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 2:11 PM, MAJESTIC said: Great to hear. One query, not negative. What happens to the jumping races at Riccarton in seasons to come, Grand National etc? No answer from any of you learned colleagues out there. What is happening to jump races at Riccarton? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soliloquy 25 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 They stay and are run on the turf track https://racing.riccartonpark.nz/news/synthetic-track-milestone.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,545 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 They will still be conducted on the Course proper and chase track. The new track is inside the main grass, looks like a great circumference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Leggy said: Of course 72 runners in 3 events will produce more revenue than 24 horses in 3 events. But you are not listening or comparing apples with apples. If you have 24 potential runners, where is the data from anywhere that suggests 1 24 horse race for them will produce more revenue than 3 8 horse events. I don't think it exists. If you are not dreaming as it seems, then post the data that indicates that. That will be done. Give me a couple of days. I’m going to be off line Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 Ok you folk who fail to get the message about 24 horses in a race, When was the last time you watched The Melbourne Cup and how many horses are usually lined up to race in it??? The Auckland Cup also used to have 24 horses in it, as did other races. It would be great to see more longer distance races with larger fields, especially going over the Knoll/ Hill at Ellerslie like they used to ride up there in the 1800's, yes that's 1800's when they used that part of the track because horses are animals that like to go up hills!! @Nukkledragga@Berri @Chris Wood @Chris@Leggy@MAJESTIC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/HeritageImages/images/photos/a18f/img0121.jpg Showing the running of The Auckland Cup just after the horses have taken the bend in 1905 Heritage Images collection Auckland Library Gruff and Patiti 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted August 31, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 12:57 PM, Berri said: That will be done. Give me a couple of days. I’m going to be off line Did Berri produce the Data re his claim on betting ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...