JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 Here we go again "Acting on a report provided by Racing Investigators who completed a stable inspection at the training premises of S Wigg this afternoon, Stewards ordered that GETN WIGGY WITHIT (Race 4), SAINT MICHEL (Race 6) and HAPPY PLACE (Race 7) be scratched acting under Rule 213(1)(c). An investigation was opened into this matter. 213{1}C relates to prohibited substances from memory Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 Oh gawd and bugggahhhh! however, this time there really better be summit to it, after the last fiasco...... Cheers Iraklis john legend 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 Could be an ok substance - you just can't give them on race day. No good speculating till all the facts are known. Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 Just checked that rule - it states simply prohibited substance Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, eljay said: Could be an ok substance - you just can't give them on race day. No good speculating till all the facts are known. Wouldn’t that make it prohibited on race day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted July 18, 2021 Matter of interpretation. If you injected or syringed water on race day does that make water a prohibited substance? Most actions on race day are prohibited and covered somewhere in the rules (rule 1004) for example. I think talking to the horse though is still permitted but be careful if you on medication yourself - you breath could be dangerous john legend 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted July 18, 2021 20 hours ago, eljay said: Could be an ok substance - you just can't give them on race day. No good speculating till all the facts are known. Innocent until proven guilty as always LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie 119 Report post Posted July 18, 2021 The stable principal continually puts his head above the parapet and expounds correct and telling statements about the way harness racing has been run, both nationally and locally - the ATC Board. For this he has been in the sights of the suits at HRNZ for some time. JJ Flash and Value Bell 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted July 18, 2021 I hope Frankie, you are wrong and they take their jobs more seriously...?? Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter the punter 23 Report post Posted July 18, 2021 There both wrong just for showing up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45yearsofharness 173 Report post Posted July 19, 2021 8 hours ago, frankie said: The stable principal continually puts his head above the parapet and expounds correct and telling statements about the way harness racing has been run, both nationally and locally - the ATC Board. For this he has been in the sights of the suits at HRNZ for some time. They Should only pick on you if you are doing things against the rules. Not saying they are doing anything wrong, but obviously doing something different. This stable and the previous should have been under the spotlight for some time, they have been around a short time and the horses do things even some top trainers struggle to get the horses to do. Take a look at the Butcher horse they got, two wins a third and a forth in first 5 starts, and has won $25000. why would David get rid of it if he knew it could do that? 8 hours ago, frankie said: tasman man 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted July 19, 2021 David got rid of smoken up also maybe he didn’t know JJ Flash and Iraklis 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 408 Report post Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:59 PM, hsvman said: David got rid of smoken up also maybe he didn’t know Yip; Smoken Up still searching for his first win in NZ. No really; sometimes horses actually grow up mentally and/or physically given time or new surroundings/schedules. JJ Flash and john legend 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted July 20, 2021 I think you’ll find he won a few races in nz including the group 1 nz ffa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45yearsofharness 173 Report post Posted July 20, 2021 11 hours ago, 2Piper said: Yip; Smoken Up still searching for his first win in NZ. Won twice at Cambridge in 2006 for Butchers JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted July 20, 2021 Seem to remember the mighty MonkeyKing and TerrorToLove gettin in his (SmokenUp) road when he was after our NZ Cup hehe just when he thought he had it won, boom darned Kiwi guns got him..... Cheers Iraklis JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45yearsofharness 173 Report post Posted July 26, 2021 The three horses scratched on the night are all with new trainers. Must be more to this than the normal as most times you can carry on training if under investigation. Famous quote on here "Innocent until proven" ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted July 26, 2021 10 hours ago, 45yearsofharness said: Famous quote on here "Innocent until proven" ?? Hardly famous as its just common law principle. Just have to wait to see if any charges preferred over the original matter 2 of the horses to A Poutama and the other to S Reid and co. Iraklis and LongOwner 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 AgreeJJ mate, and hey could be owners decidin to move the horses, their choice etc.... Cheers Iraklis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Iraklis said: AgreeJJ mate, and hey could be owners decidin to move the horses, their choice etc.... Cheers Iraklis What about famous quote "Sometimes it better to remain silent...." It is quite normal for horse trainers to take a winter break/getaway.......and if that ain't convincing consider the fact that the said trainer is the owner of at least 2 of the said horses ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 Tasman, what are you on about? I was agreeing that innocent til proven guilty is hardly famous, it's as JJ says common law; and as for the rest of your post what has that got to do with 'stewards order scratchings?' etc, I was simply pointin out (in answer to 45years post) that it could be owners choice why those horses have changed stables etc nothin sinister.....perhaps you should take a leaf rom your own famous quote 'tiz better to remain silent' as you have confirmed by the end of your post, 2 of the horses are owned by the trainer; clearly their choice to send horses to different trainers, so what's yuh problem? Cheers Iraklis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Iraklis said: Tasman, what are you on about? I was agreeing that innocent til proven guilty is hardly famous, it's as JJ says common law; and as for the rest of your post what has that got to do with 'stewards order scratchings?' etc, I was simply pointin out (in answer to 45years post) that it could be owners choice why those horses have changed stables etc nothin sinister.....perhaps you should take a leaf rom your own famous quote 'tiz better to remain silent' as you have confirmed by the end of your post, 2 of the horses are owned by the trainer; clearly their choice to send horses to different trainers, so what's yuh problem? Cheers Iraklis Sorry to offend you champ but you can debate' much and often 'once you get into a thread and I sensed you getting a bit offtrack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 Well tasman you sensed wrong! I was not gettin 'a bit off track' at all, you however were way off track!.....I was simply agreein on the subject bein discussed, and by your own very post, confirmed what I had originally posted re owners making a choice about where their horses went; what's that famous quote again??? Cheers Iraklis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The truth, the whole truth 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2021 Again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted July 29, 2021 12 hours ago, The truth, the whole truth said: Again LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
