Disillusioned 389 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 Tasman Man, could you (if you can, I mean, without breaking confidences) tell me just how much of the Hill is being sold? Is it all of the area from the far side of the running rail upwards? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted July 27, 2021 26 minutes ago, Disillusioned said: Tasman Man, could you (if you can, I mean, without breaking confidences) tell me just how much of the Hill is being sold? Is it all of the area from the far side of the running rail upwards? Hi there, I not privy to any 'inside' info but I did see the ads in paper and on-line by the selling agent CBRE Limited. Also photos and youtube video online under OneRoof Commercial.. The photos indicate it starts at running rail upwards. Disillusioned 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disillusioned 389 Report post Posted July 28, 2021 Ah, ta for that, TM. I wasn't sure if planning had proceeded as far as it obviously has so was either disinclined or too lazy to (delete one, ha) to do my own research... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted July 28, 2021 Would someone please confirm if it includes the parcel of Pond/ Wetlands, previously also called Swampland and Wastelands under the Auckland Wastelands Acts, and the section where the Ellerslie Racecourse Nursery is, is included in the parcel of land 'For SALE''? For those who may not have seen the advertising Large prime development land parcel on offer next to Ellerslie Racecourse - listed 15 July 2021 https://www.cbre.co.nz/about/media-center/the-hill-ellerslie Expressions Of Interest - Ascot Avenue Ellerslie Prop Id NZ 166007Q21 https://www.cbre.co.nz/properties/office/details/NZ-166007Q21/ascot-avenue-ellerslie?view=isSale oneroof - Ascot Avenue Ellerslie Auckland City Premium Central Land For sale https://www.oneroof.co.nz/ascot-avenue-ellerslie-auckland-city-auckland-1615846 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted July 29, 2021 Why haven't the likes of Ellerslie & Avondale Racecourse not had Grazing Contracts for sheep, horses and cattle in recent years to be sustainable and help the ecological systems, as they did in years gone by? See attached link it would be better for the environment and also helps create an awareness and respect for animals and career opportunities. It's beyond belief that City Racing Clubs have not undertaken this initiative in recent years. Has a cost feasibility investigation ever been undertaken? If not, why not? If so, when was the last one undertaken and why hasn't it been followed up on? There are those within the Racing industry who have such animals that could easily be Grazing these Racecourses and breaking down barriers as well as Educating City children and folk who so need these aspects in their lives to learn from and understand animals. New Zealand is a country that is blessed to have green pastures available in it's cities to do this. In the UK and a number of other countries there is still grazing in City Parks and projects in place encouraging it. There's plenty of information about these sustainable practices online Tender for Grazing - Ellerslie https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18721019.2.2.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted July 29, 2021 Auckland Racing Club Annual General Meeting with Accounts, from 1904 The industry needs to see where things have gone awol in recent years, compare notes with what's on your accounts today compared with then. Look at where we can make changes and look at adjusting to the frugal practices of how those before us all did in much harsher times than today. Note this is prior to World War 1 but circa of the likes of the Boer War era. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19040802.2.65 correct working link for post above https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18721019.2.2.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 1, 2021 Meanwhile, over in the UK they are so desperate for Green spaces the Westminster Council have spent around 2 million pounds making a Mound where there was a vacant section so people can have a Green space, with a view over the area. Marble Arch Mound, Westminster, UK https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/marble-arch-mound-slated-first-21155215 Be careful what one aims for. Alas when dealing with some Councils they have good and bad eggs in them just like other places. Deloitte are very much in the pocket of Auckland Council to the point they need to be investigated for Bribery and Corruption offences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 4, 2021 This link has the most incredible aerial photographs of Ellerslie - do share! A history lesson in itself, Those who founded and set up Ellerlsie Racecourse will be turning in their Graves at the demise of their hard works and efforts for the people of Auckland and New Zealand's Betterment Wake up Folks, this is a Community Asset that needs to be looked after, not lost. Sport and Beauty, Hand and Hand Ellerslie and it's History - 1929 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/sun-auckland/1929/06/01/17 Bring back the Horticulture links to Auckland which is in desperate need of Botanical Gardens. Note their were at least 8 Gardeners at Ellerslie, a good form of exercise, and the beauty of Flowers brings peace in one's life. Ellerslie needs to ask itself and see who is responsible for the loss of all these incredible flowers which are an attraction in itself. A Picturesque Course - Impressions of Ellerslie Fine Garden Display 1915 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19150401.2.72 Colour of The Tropics - Beauty in a Glasshouse The Flowers of Ellerslie Rare and Choice Blooms 1926 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19260802.2.125 A Memorable Outing https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19260113.2.123 Sunshine at Ellerslie - Seatown wins Cornwall https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNAK19290601.2.97.3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 for those who may have short memories, do remember that in 2009 there was also controversy over the sale of Lands at Ellerslie because there are Moa Skeleton and Human Skeleton remains in Lava Caves in Ellerslie Moa Bones at Ellerslie -1875 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18750817.2.10 Now Auckland Racing Club based at Ellerslie, together with Deloitte, CBRE, Oceania Retirement Villages and the like would never ever desecrate such land, nor contemplate selling it off, nor would Auckland Council give Resource consent to build houses or other such buildings that requires significant soil and earth movement, would they knowing such circumstances? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 So Chapman Tripp are advising ARC on the sale of the Knoll/ Hill at Ellerslie Racecourse. Was it disclosed to all members, and that of the wider Society who have the rights to use this Racecourse Reserve, prior to voting and proceeding with the sale of this Public Recreational Reserve and merger of Clubs with Counties Race Club that Doug Alderslade, Director at Auckland Racing Club is a long standing Partner with Chapman Tripp? Was it also disclosed that Chapman Tripp represent Oceania Healthcare who have an "interest" that is a Potential Conflict of Interest amongst other legalities, in acquiring this Public Reserve land for a Retirement type village complex? From 2003, what's really changed over the years for the positive ? Where has all the money gone to? Where are the women representatives on the Board? Is it because of the sexist leanings towards women that has previously been known to exist in Society, and within the Racing industry that women don't feel welcome to step forward for these roles? Is it because the traditional attractions of women to Racing, including enjoying the Gardens at Ellerslie which have all but disappeared, that they no longer feel a valued part of Racing? Or is it because of previously mentioned dysfunction within the Board, as was raised in 2003? Why is there an imbalance of Legal and Real Estate related people on the Board? Where is the representation from locals who are part of grass roots community who live and work with children, who used to attend the Races and use the Racecourse for Sporting and other recreational activities? Bouncy Castles by the way are not what children who used to attend the Racecourse undertook, they took part in real sporting activities on and off the track, including competitive Cross Country races over the Jumps including the WATER Jump. Bring those activities back and you will get Racing back on track Racing: Future of Auckland Racing prompts nominations for the Board https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/racing-future-of-auckland-racing-prompts-nominations-for-board/YE333H5JBZHOFNHRYNYCZ7L6HM/ Below are links to the people all mentioned in this article from on Chapman Tripp's website Where is there Promotions and Marketing background skills in Racing? Why is there such an imbalance of power and control given to Chapman Tripp? It all appears to be about Acquisitions and Selling of our Assets and putting the Racing industry and economy into Deeper debt and a black hole which is not how the Racing industry used to be, nor does any of the advice appear to include the much needed Promotions of Racing Which of these people were involved in earlier sales of Ellerslie Racecourse Reserve Lands? What shareholdings in Oceanic Healthcare or CBRE do they have? Were those shareholding, if they have them, disclosed? https://nz.linkedin.com/in/dougalderslade Auckland Clubs Approve amalgamation in watershed deal for the racing industry https://chapmantripp.com/about-us/news/auckland-clubs-approve-amalgamation-in-watershed-deal-for-the-racing-industry/ Bevan Miles https://chapmantripp.com/our-people/bevan-miles Chapman Tripp Barry Brown https://chapmantripp.com/our-people/barry-brown/ Robbie Bennett https://chapmantripp.com/our-people/robbie-bennett/ Conor Tinker https://chapmantripp.com/our-people/conor-tinker/ A little background information.. This from the Chapman Tripp website 4 May 2021, note the names of those involved, including those involved in the push to sell off Ellerslie Racecourse Reserve, as in Domain/ Park land Oceania Raises 100m for acquisitions in Auckland https://chapmantripp.com/about-us/news/oceania-raises-100m-for-acquisitions-in-auckland/ Oceania announces $100m equity raising to fund acquisitions https://www.nzx.com/announcements/369544 Oceania Healthcare powerpoint for other Retirement Villages http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/OCA/369544/342878.pdf Once again, this is all about Selling off of ASSETS by those in the Legal Profession who appear to have ZILCH skills or expertise in the Marketing and Promotions of the Racing industry to attract new patrons and lure back those who have disappeared. Once again there is short-sighted poor decision making by those who are not legally qualified in the Promotion and Marketing related fields, nor do they appear to have much, if any knowledge about how to attract the wider Society to become Patrons at the Racecourse Reserves. It's time for all communications between those at Auckland Racing Club, Deloitte, Oceania and CBRE to be disclosed and heads to roll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 Good solid Rock foundations for the Racecourse in this proposed development area. It pays to do exercise Due Diligence before one jumps one's guns. When men used pick and shovel and built up strength through real work, not machinery Ellerslie Racecourse scheme of improvements - Improvements completed Alteration of Track 1928 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19280813.2.109 The Great Northern at Ellerslie Winter Meeting June 1935, includes Diagram with all 25 Fences for The Steeplechase - the era of The Depression https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19350531.2.184.1 Racing Carnival Great Northern Steeplechase - A spectacular course - this article includes a detailed list of all the Fences - Fences which form part of the Racing Industry of New Zealand, and the world's History under the provisions of the former Historic Places Act and now Heritage NZ Act. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19350531.2.183 Pedestrianism at Auckland - Bring it on Ellerslie!!! This is the fun sort of events we should be encouraging Community and local schools to partake in at our Racecourse Reserve on Raceday's and to get people back out enjoying life. It's also a fun way to introduce city children to Equestrian Sports / Jumps Racing by jumping over the same obstacles as Equestrian / Jumps horse do https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW18771103.2.71 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/HeritageImages/images/photos/NZGf/1905/NZG_19050513_p0031_i002_b.jpg Ref - The New Zealand Graphic May 13 1905 This collection is held at The George Grey Collection, Auckland Libraries, Lorne Street Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 From the Alfred Burrell Collection Ornamental Gardens at the Ellerslie Racecourse circa 1930-1939 https://kura.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/digital/collection/photos/id/93337/rec/116 For those who may not be aware, the Pond on Ellerslie Racecourse always had Wildlife in it in accordance with The Wildlife Act and part of The Acclimatisation Society. It's an Ecological Sanctuary we should be nurturing for future generations as a responsible Racing Club. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 Where have all these Botanicals gone to, including the Mummy Apple/ Paw Paw grown from a seed plant by Edwin Mitchelson, who without others we would not have a Racecourse, or Races named after him? We hardly ever see Paw Paw's and flowers in and around Auckland these days which ties in back to the era of Auckland Council's daft decision =-making to only allow Native Plants to be planted. Clearly some have lost the plot why we need a variety of species in our lives. Auckland Racing Club used to supply the plants that graced our Boroughs. Auckland Racing Club, if they were exercising 'Common sense' would have and could have been employing Gardeners that they could have profited from the sale of Plants grown in their Glasshouses. The Glass Houses, of what remain, are this year 100 years old. They must be restored and brought back to the glory they once were in like they are currently doing to Exhibition Hall Gardens, also known as the Summer and Winter Houses at Auckland Domain, also a Recreation Reserve of importance for the people of New Zealand. Get off your backsides Auckland and it's Racing Club and get your act into gear. Reach out to the contractors who are working on the restoration project at the Exhibition Hall Gardens, they are a friendly bunch. There are plenty of people who are looking for and need jobs who lost jobs in this current "CLIMATE CHANGE" we are all going through around the world!!! Ellerslie Racecourse Reserve and it's assets need to be look after much better than they are. Auckland Racing Club - New Winter Garden https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19221204.2.52 Ellerslie Racecourse - Construction of Wintergarden - prefabricated from England https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/collections-research/collections/record/am_library-photography-54852?sbj=Ellerslie Racecourse (Auckland%2C N.Z.)&ordinal=6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted August 5, 2021 13 hours ago, meomy said: Where have all these Botanicals gone to, including the Mummy Apple/ Paw Paw grown from a seed plant by Edwin Mitchelson, who without others we would not have a Racecourse, or Races named after him? We hardly ever see Paw Paw's and flowers in and around Auckland these days which ties in back to the era of Auckland Council's daft decision =-making to only allow Native Plants to be planted. Clearly some have lost the plot why we need a variety of species in our lives. Auckland Racing Club used to supply the plants that graced our Boroughs. Auckland Racing Club, if they were exercising 'Common sense' would have and could have been employing Gardeners that they could have profited from the sale of Plants grown in their Glasshouses. The Glass Houses, of what remain, are this year 100 years old. They must be restored and brought back to the glory they once were in like they are currently doing to Exhibition Hall Gardens, also known as the Summer and Winter Houses at Auckland Domain, also a Recreation Reserve of importance for the people of New Zealand. Get off your backsides Auckland and it's Racing Club and get your act into gear. Reach out to the contractors who are working on the restoration project at the Exhibition Hall Gardens, they are a friendly bunch. There are plenty of people who are looking for and need jobs who lost jobs in this current "CLIMATE CHANGE" we are all going through around the world!!! Ellerslie Racecourse Reserve and it's assets need to be look after much better than they are. Auckland Racing Club - New Winter Garden https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19221204.2.52 Ellerslie Racecourse - Construction of Wintergarden - prefabricated from England https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/collections-research/collections/record/am_library-photography-54852?sbj=Ellerslie Racecourse (Auckland%2C N.Z.)&ordinal=6 As a mainlander I can answer your question re the Botanical Gardens. They are at Manurewa....64 marvellous hectares of Botanical gardens. I also recall the 'famous' Ellerslie Flower show which moved to Christchurch ! At the Ellerslie trials earlier this week I was impressed with the Ellerslie facility and gardens , very appropriate for a race course. The nearby Parnell Rose gardens and Cornwall Park with its mighty trees and grazing livestock great for the City. Cornwall Park quite unique. No one seems to know too much about the kids cross country races over the waterjump....was that early last century ? Meomy you havent answered the question over your membership of the various Auckland racing Clubs and your contribution to the Clubs and questions you ask their AGM's. Or your solution to trying to sustain Racing into the future , in particular improving returns to participants /owners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 7, 2021 For those who may not be conversant with the history Ellerslie Racecourse, along with surrounding areas, has always been on low lying Lava Caves that flood, hence why it was set aside for a Racecourse Reserve/ Domain and not housing etc. Lake St John, also known as Waiatarua was drained a number of years ago and much of that land is prone to ongoing flood plane issues to this day. Let commonsense, as they used in Superintendent Robert Graham's era, prevail and leave well alone. Do remember it was those associated with the wider Retirement / Aged Care industry, including Property Speculators in the 1980's/ 1990's, that failed to factor into account the area where Lake St John was/ is, is prone to flooding what's now called Remuera Gardens Retirement complex a stones throw from Ellerslie Racecourse land. Information that surfaced subsequent, and prior to, that development would have seen that complex never to have received Consent. No amount of "Drainage" of the land will ever stop water flowing through underground Lava Caves... as those who live and work in the Ellerslie Region know and understand (Thank you to all those who are now sadly deceased, ( including the wonderful Norm, Trevor, Clarry and Gladys and family who worked alongside Robert Graham and others) and those of you in advancing years who have passed on your Wisdom over the years passed through the generations for your useful insight on our travels) One to this day knows there's flooding / drainage issues in the area when it rains heavily. I think we all know about the Healthy Waters Plans and that of Auckland's Water shortages, all of which incidentally have come about through covering up Natural Water Bores/ Springs with concrete.. Note this Report includes diagrams of the area Drainage of Lake St John / Waiatarua (Report on ) J.B. Thompson, Chief Drainage Engineer 1917 Laid on the Table of the House of Representatives by Leave https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/parliamentary/appendix-to-the-journals-of-the-house-of-representatives/1917/I/999 Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 8, 2021 In a Nutshell, a similar situation arose in Caufield, Victoria, Australia where the Council tried to take Racecourse land in 1909 They were not permitted to interfere with the Racing, or Training Track. It's the whole History of Racing that one must factor into account, including why Race days over the whole year are named and Sponsored by those that they are, who they are named after, the links to local areas in and around each Racecourse - note street and road names associated with families of those who have contributed to what Racing is to this day, the associated Holidays - including what we today have as Queens Birthday in June and will no doubt revert to Kings Birthday when Queen Elizabeth passes on, unless we have another Queen as our Head of State. Is it really a wise idea to mess with what is tried and true? In an Nutshell https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19090804.2.224.9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 8, 2021 On 8/6/2021 at 11:35 AM, tasman man said: As a mainlander I can answer your question re the Botanical Gardens. They are at Manurewa....64 marvellous hectares of Botanical gardens. I also recall the 'famous' Ellerslie Flower show which moved to Christchurch ! At the Ellerslie trials earlier this week I was impressed with the Ellerslie facility and gardens , very appropriate for a race course. The nearby Parnell Rose gardens and Cornwall Park with its mighty trees and grazing livestock great for the City. Cornwall Park quite unique. No one seems to know too much about the kids cross country races over the waterjump....was that early last century ? Meomy you havent answered the question over your membership of the various Auckland racing Clubs and your contribution to the Clubs and questions you ask their AGM's. Or your solution to trying to sustain Racing into the future , in particular improving returns to participants /owners. Do you recall what year the Trainers all left Ellerslie Racecourse @tasman man ? Perhaps that's an era we all need to look back on and see if it coincided with a negative impact on Horse Racing in general terms and Merging of Borough Councils with Auckland City Council/ Regional Council and their decision-makers and hold them to account for any damage to the Racing industry. Whilst those Botanic Gardens you mention are wonderful, when they are looked after, they are insufficient Domains/ Outdoor Reserves for an ever increasing and over populated Auckland and that of New Zealand. Auckland stupidly because of Peter Haynes ( Mt Albert Local Board) and co no longer have animals on their Volcanic Domains despite having been advised by Legal Counsel to keep them (we were passed on that info first hand). One has to ask, what role did he have, if any, in ensuring No Horses etc are Trained and Grazing on Racecourses?? Under the old Borough Councils, every what we now call, suburbs had an area of Open Space set aside for Botanical Gardens and Outdoor recreation, that was well maintained by Gardeners and Cattle, not tractors and machinery. We will source the town plan information for Ellerslie to give those who may be interested an insight into the foresight and wisdom those from the 1800's had and what they factored into account for our Betterment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 8, 2021 @tasman man Have the Auckland Racing Clubs, and those around New Zealand, ever had any assistance from ATEED or Tourism New Zealand to promote Racing? We recall when George Hickton was around there was some Promotions undertaken that encouraged people into attending Racing. The key to lifting stakes is to get people back into Racing and on course. There has been a disproportionate focus on Digital aspects over and above in the flesh human and animal interactions, the later which is what life and living is about. One needs people of all ages and walks of life back on course, and with most of us stuck on the islands with Shaun Hendy and co #NoFlying, we haven't heard any planes fly overhead yet today in Auckland, what better opportunity to lure people back on course? It's more logical to defer any plans to put in an AWT and sell off assets whilst we are in the 'Climate Change' imposed on us all. Why effectively shoot Racing in the foot and shut down Racing in a Major City like Auckland when people have time on their hands and are looking for something to do? There is no better opportunity than now to openly Market and Promote Racing in Auckland to those who may not have ever seen, let alone experienced up close and personal outing with our animals. Lure the children with horses grazed back on our City Racecourses and they will lure their parents/ guardians and that is how you attract Sponsors to the Races and increase stakes. We have seen and often experience the attraction of a dog been seen by one or two children who may not have seen a Dog before in the City and next there's a whole group of Children around... Horses are no different. .. Alas you must ensure all the local schools are involved at child level.. It all goes hand in hand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 8, 2021 How would any developer/ party to proceedings think they can get away with current requirements for Sewrage / Sanitation for between 450-500 'Houses/ studios' that would likely be linked up to the Southern Region Sewage system which still to this day has issues? Black Blot Sewage System Ellerslie Scandal Drainage Floods District Danger to Water Supply https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19350820.2.87 Grave Potential Danger of Ellerslie's Drainage System https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/auckland-star/1935/08/20/5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 8, 2021 Cross Country Champion of New Zealand J.W. Savidan was in The Mitchelson Cup Steeplechase race around Ellerslie in 1929. With interest in Olympic Games, what better timing to bring back Cross Country events on all Racecourses to encourage community involvement, on Racedays. Reach out to Spartan Events and local farmers who in recent years have rallied together for Mental Health and get those who live in your local regions involved, indeed, come on in George Simon... Thrills at The Hurdles Exciting Finish to Ellerslie Race https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNAK19290819.2.143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disillusioned 389 Report post Posted August 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, meomy said: Cross Country Champion of New Zealand J.W. Savidan was in The Mitchelson Cup Steeplechase race around Ellerslie in 1929. You do Savidan a (possibly unintentional) disservice there, Meomy! Savidan won the Six Miles (10,000 Metres these days) at the inaugural British Empire Games in Hamilton, Ontario in 1930. Two years later, in the Olympic Games of 1932 in Los Angeles, he ran fourth in both the 5,000 Metres and the 10,000 Metres. In his long career, he won 15 New Zealand titles - three in the Mile and six each in both the Three Miles and the Cross Country... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Disillusioned said: You do Savidan a (possibly unintentional) disservice there, Meomy! Savidan won the Six Miles (10,000 Metres these days) at the inaugural British Empire Games in Hamilton, Ontario in 1930. Two years later, in the Olympic Games of 1932 in Los Angeles, he ran fourth in both the 5,000 Metres and the 10,000 Metres. In his long career, he won 15 New Zealand titles - three in the Mile and six each in both the Three Miles and the Cross Country... Cross country running races were often held at racecourses and some still are. I used to watch a neighbour Pat Sidon ,a NZ rep ,win the Edmund Cup at Wingatui racecourse and that event is still run today ...no hill on the course but they used to run over the road and through some elevated farm land with the start and finish on racecourse ! Pat Sidon won the event 11 times. In an earlier era Empire games champ Harold Nelson won the Edmund cup 7 times. Pat Sidon also won a race at Riccarton racecourse. I doubt ATEED could justify spending money on promoting on-course attendance at NZ race tracks ,or trying to get Aucklanders to embrace horses ! Thousands visit Ellerslie daily now but not to watch horses....they go to carpark,visit hospital, practise golf,walk , car market, Circus /Shakespeare[fin] School balls and conferences/meetings ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 11, 2021 Why has no one factored into account that the nearby to Ellerslie Racecourse in Auckland, St Cuthbert's school girls, who have and love horse, raised around 500k for Riding for the Disabled who would love to be able to ride their horses and graze them at Ellerslie Racecourse? Was there ever any mention in any Reports written by Deloitte and their contracted out 'Consultants' of these Community focused groups and their needs for Racecourse Reserve land 'Access", including that of the Knoll/ hill area which is sheltered by Trees that have been there for over 100 years and others seeded from originals planted on the Racecourse by those who did the hard yards in the Nursery to encourage people into Horticulture related careers, and that of horse related careers - notably flat, jumps equestrian or Riding for Disabled? If not, why not? These groups should all have been included as part of any 'Consultations' and Decision making processes as they are "Our Auckland" future generations who may choose and are influenced to taking up Horse related for pleasure or careers. Some are very environmentally aware of the lack of quality usable what is now more commonly called Greenfields in the city and the need for horses to have a hill to ride along... In fact the absence of Horses and Cattle in Auckland is a huge reason for the problems we now face as a Society. mckenzie 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted August 24, 2021 Racing Commission Report includes distances a Racecourse must be to operate and where proceeds must go to. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/parliamentary/AJHR1921-I-II.2.3.2.36 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...