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Six hectares at Auckland Racing Club's Ellerslie venue to be sold

15 Jul, 2021 05:00 AM2 minutes to read
Ellerslie racecourse, where 6ha is to be sold for development. Photo / File

Ellerslie racecourse, where 6ha is to be sold for development. Photo / File

NZ Herald
 
 

More than 6ha at Auckland Racing Club's Ellerslie venue will be sold off for residential development.

The land alone is estimated to be worth $80-$100 million.

Herald racing editor Michael Guerin can today reveal more details about the development, and the impact on racing at the prestigious horse-racing venue.

Auckland Racing Club chief executive Paul Wilcox says the soon-to-be formed Auckland Thoroughbred Racing (ATR) will work with consultants through the consent process, but no deal has been done to buy the land.

 

The Herald believes it will be listed for sale soon.

The impending sale of the hill and the end of jumps-racing at Ellerslie has angered some, but barely 10 races are run over the hill per season and the sale would be a financial boon for ATR.

Auckland Racing Club chief executive Paul Wilcox. Photo / Trish Dunell Auckland Racing Club chief executive Paul Wilcox. Photo / Trish Dunell

Wilcox says ATR will consult with the jumps-racing community about where the Great Northern Steeplechase and Great Northern Hurdles, Auckland's two most famous jumping races and hosted at Ellerslie in September, will be held in the future.

All racing will pause at Ellerslie in March for the laying of new StrathAyr turf, but Wilcox expects it will be reopened by October 2023.

"So the racing committee of the new ATR have some conversations to have ... over where we hold our major meetings while the StrathAyr goes in."

Avondale, which is slated to stay open until at least 2025, could be crucial as will Pukekohe which, as the other track directly under ATR's control, would be the favourite to hold the glamorous Karaka Million meeting in 2023.

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Interesting readers comments, very relevant about the License to Occupy for Retirement Village concept.

Who stands to gain from that scam?

Auckland is already overflowing with Retirement Villages  that are unoccupied or have weather tightness issues as it is, those we know refuse to ever move into one of them and would far rather be carried out from their own home.

Or is this to replace the sinking Retirement Village across Ladies Mile down in the gully where it should never have been built?

The whole property market has changed from a decent sized property to crap.

Who wants to see a complex of Tower Blocks up on our beloved Hill?


Love the comment about Kenny Browne and his Ghost, may he come back to haunt those behind this short-sighted Quick Fix.

Learn to live within a Budget those running the show or naf off.

As an aside, Mitchelson, Hill and others, who must be turning in their graves at the thought of such desecration, ensured under the Domains Act 1800's future generations would have green open spaces for Recreation, go read it those involved and learn your History.

Wake up folks, it's all very well for developers to say we need housing but the reality is, they also cost the Horse Racing industry a fortune when they demolished the old stands and built new ones, there's always a Consequence.

 

What would Trevor McKee, Norm Holland and others think of this?

Ellerslie Racecourse Land Sale clears way for more than 500 new homes

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/125761168/ellerslie-racecourse-land-sale-clears-way-for-more-than-500-new-homes#comments

 

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22 hours ago, Nerula said:

Then is Then and now is Now, as it always was.

Agreed, Nerula.

Nowt wrong with Tower blocks perched alongside racetracks, meomy.

Two of my fave global racetracks are Happy Valley and Sha Tin, both either completely surrounded by tower blocks or only stopped from being so because developers haven't yet figured out a way to float tower blocks on water.

 

 

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At the meetings and voting for the Sale of The Hill at Ellerslie, was it disclosed if any of those Voting had shares in those Property Development companies or other businesses who have expressed an interest in Purchasing the said Land?

One would reasonably expect Integrity and Transparency, along with full legal obligations to be carried out by Board of Directors..and those of it's members

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For those who think and assume The Jumps at Ellerslie are only used for the Jumps Races a few times a year, how could you possibly take away a great venue for the Spartan Events which are usually held annually at Ellerslie Racecourse and use these same Jumps Obstacles for children's betterment?

 

Check these photos from 2019 and children having a blast at Ellerslie loving the mud and running and climbing over the jumps that the horses and Jumps riders do to

https://photos.spartanaustralia.com.au/product-category/sra/sra_190804/sra_190804_20/page/7/

Better still, go and join in on the fun at this years Spartan Events that are due to take part on the first weekend of October.

Were these people consulted about any shifting of equipment that is currently available for Community use at the Track?

Do local schools also still use the Hill for Sports events and others for training who may live locally?

Have they been consulted or were they involved in any voting processes?

Look at the impact to Public Health and the wider Society folks rather than jump the guns and take away yet another Reserve.

It's also to be remembered Auckland is a now a City not a Country area where there's less Green fields to use for Recreational purposes.

There's others needs to factor into account to that have clearly been ignored and not taken into account.

 

 

 

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I am with you Meomy. Seems a triumph of people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing....However, 
I feel the authorities have painted themselves into such a financial corner that there is no alternative. 

 

It's a tragedy in my view. So much history in that hill, what a view it has been from the main stands out and across the greenery. 

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6 minutes ago, Houlahan's Dream said:

I am with you Meomy. Seems a triumph of people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing....However, 
I feel the authorities have painted themselves into such a financial corner that there is no alternative. 

 

It's a tragedy in my view. So much history in that hill, what a view it has been from the main stands out and across the greenery. 

Yes, History, will The Maunga Authority jump up and down at the proposed desecration of this HILL?

Robert Graham and Doctor McGregor-Grant will be turning in their graves at the lack of RESPECT for those who also served in the War, after all Ellerslie was a Medical Grounds and Dr McGregor-Grant who the Steeplechase is named after served  as a Medic during that time.

This is a Heritage NZ matter that they to should be up in arms about.

 

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2 hours ago, Nerula said:

The point is people don't bet on Steeplechases. More to a point do you ever see a horse thats been over the Hill finish with its ears pricked.?

Do you go to Ellersie and have to get past the PETA people protesting at the gate?

Do you see PETA /SAFE etc protest about our elderly been shoved into shoe box sized studio type accommodation, which all have Microwaves placed at levels out of reach to safely place and take HOT food out of, (P**s Poor design from the start)  and told they must stay at Home in isolation, of which one day they may also be in that group of society?

Do you see Generation x,y,z protest about the increase in traffic congestion yet another multi-level  complex will have on our natural environment and Green open spaces?

What Traffic Planning has gone into this intended SALE of Racecourse land and development?

Where will the entry and exit be?

I'm sure the Remuera, Ellerslie, Greenlane and others in the Orakei-Maungakiekie Local board areas will have something to say about this.

It wasn't that long ago they were trying to sell off our Golf Courses, Remuera, Chamberlain Park and from memory Manukau.

I'm sure those who were opposed to those intentions will be equally as appalled and perhaps active with proposed SALE of OUR GREEN OPEN SPACES, including that of Bird and Insect life!!

 

Mr Wilcox, are your family related to the Potato growers from Pukekohe?

If so you should know better, because hasn't there been much publicity about the sale of Agricultural land they have messed up for housing?

 

 

 

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There's a lot of emotive nonsense in these posts. Yes, the famous Ellerslie Hill has history on its side ...but the future of NZ racing depends on a viable, sustainable model in Auckland for the 21st century - and that means realising the asset value of underproductive land. Avondale, take note, Swallow yer pride, sell the land and invest in the greater good while taking a seat or three at the table for the next 100 years, instead of moaning about injustices of the past. That grandstand at Avondale is in itself a huge indictment on your previous and current leaders/management strategy, what an eyesore.

The loss of the Ellerslie Hill is sad - a relative pf mine won a McGregor Grant Chase ad was [placed in the GN Steeples when only a teenager. But he wouldnt want the Hill to stay there just for history's sake, whennn the future of our great sport is at this crossroads. Well done, ARC and Counties RC. Show them the way forward.

 

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23 hours ago, meomy said:

Do you see PETA /SAFE etc protest about our elderly been shoved into shoe box sized studio type accommodation, which all have Microwaves placed at levels out of reach to safely place and take HOT food out of, (P**s Poor design from the start)  and told they must stay at Home in isolation, of which one day they may also be in that group of society?

Do you see Generation x,y,z protest about the increase in traffic congestion yet another multi-level  complex will have on our natural environment and Green open spaces?

What Traffic Planning has gone into this intended SALE of Racecourse land and development?

Where will the entry and exit be?

I'm sure the Remuera, Ellerslie, Greenlane and others in the Orakei-Maungakiekie Local board areas will have something to say about this.

It wasn't that long ago they were trying to sell off our Golf Courses, Remuera, Chamberlain Park and from memory Manukau.

I'm sure those who were opposed to those intentions will be equally as appalled and perhaps active with proposed SALE of OUR GREEN OPEN SPACES, including that of Bird and Insect life!!

 

Mr Wilcox, are your family related to the Potato growers from Pukekohe?

If so you should know better, because hasn't there been much publicity about the sale of Agricultural land they have messed up for housing?

 

Its going to happen whether you like it or not , suck it up cry baby !!!!!

 

 

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Conflicts of Interest??
There's a known act in Law relating to Secret Commissions, some may like to find it and read it.

 

Heath Milne has been vocal re the sale of The Hill, is it true this is one and the same Heath Milne from Oceanic Healthcare who is a Strategics Project Manager?

https://www.apollo.io/people/Heath/Milne/55708d44736964262e8a0b00

 

Is it true his father is Ross Milne who recently stepped down from his Management Role with Deloitte?

Ross Milne - Deloitte

Rottps://www2.deloitte.com/nz/en/profiles/romilne.html

https://www.deloitteprivate.co.nz/our-people/ross-milne/

 

Milne to chair Deloitte

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2922309/Milne-to-chair-Deloitte-NZ


How many Reports for the Racing industry has Ross Milne had roles to play in with his role at Deloitte ?
Which ones have involved the sales of Racecourse Reserve land of which Deloitte have profited from with their own Investments in?

How much has he benefited financially from without being held to account?

Where have all the funds we were promised would go back into Racing Stakes and Education gone to?

It's time for accountability.

Retirement living residential aged care confident growth

https://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages/media-releases/articles/retirement-living-residential-aged-care-confident-growth-240314.html

Deloitte move 1.4 billion retirement assets to sustainability fund

https://www.pionline.com/retirement-plans/deloitte-move-14-billion-retirement-assets-sustainability-fund

Where's the Social responsibility towards sustainability and looking after the environment by destroying Green open places when there's many an empty office and commercial properties that could easily be converted to Aged Care?

 

Ever  seen Retirement village owners and operators sponsor any Horse Races?

Or have activities that involve taking their Residents to the Horse Races and related industry events?

 

 

 

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Amendment, Ever seen major Retirement Village operators like Oceania, Ryman, Arvida, Summerset etc sponsor any Horse Races?

We are aware some of the smaller Family owned and operated Rest Homes operators have from time to time, but have not seen evidence of the ones who advertise week after week in various news media publications

 

This doesn't just apply to New Zealand, it's an International issue for the wider Racing Community and industry for future generations betterment that Integrity is adhered to

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This is timely and fitting to bring to the fore, words from the late Dr Oliver Nicholson, who Dr A. McGregor Grant worked alongside and helped establish the Auckland Racing Club at Ellerslie.

It is equally as relevant today in relation to the constitution of the club in respect of all areas, including that of Patrons.

 

Meeting of Members Auckland Club's Affairs

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19450814.2.42

Here is a link to some of the history related to the late Dr A McGregor Grant for those who may like to educate themselves on his contributions not only to Horse Racing, but to the Medical Profession and Public Health

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?query=Dr+A+McGregor+Grant&phrase=2

Incidentally, he lived in Remuera so it's inappropriate to even contemplate doing away with the Jumps Racing or the Grand Steeplechase named after him, and other related Jumps/ Steeplechase Races, from Ellerslie Racecourse.

Dr McGregor Grants land fronting Remuera Road

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19350315.2.31.6

 

The History and Heritage of the land, and those who contributed towards it, include the whole surrounding body of those people.

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45 minutes ago, Gruff said:

Meo these Pricks dont factor in any of this , its all about money which ultimately means nothing.... the grandkids of these greedy assholes couldnt give a shit about them as long as the $$$ are rolling in.

This is Priceless

Rule of Law @Gruff

They think they are above the law, they are not.

Roll on Judicial Reviews and good legals looking into this...

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By the way, with the track intending to be closed for Synthetic Turf, does that also mean all events including Classic Cars Concourse Events and other events that use the Track will no longer be held at Ellerslie?

A number of events, operated and paid to be held at Ellerslie are also also attended by paying Patrons of the Racecourse and Club which aid the Club financially, and the wider local economy.

Consequences that appear on the surface to not have been factored into Decision making..

Just wondering

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On 7/20/2021 at 2:29 PM, meomy said:

Conflicts of Interest??
There's a known act in Law relating to Secret Commissions, some may like to find it and read it.

 

Heath Milne has been vocal re the sale of The Hill, is it true this is one and the same Heath Milne from Oceanic Healthcare who is a Strategics Project Manager?

https://www.apollo.io/people/Heath/Milne/55708d44736964262e8a0b00

 

Is it true his father is Ross Milne who recently stepped down from his Management Role with Deloitte?

Ross Milne - Deloitte

Rottps://www2.deloitte.com/nz/en/profiles/romilne.html

https://www.deloitteprivate.co.nz/our-people/ross-milne/

 

Milne to chair Deloitte

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2922309/Milne-to-chair-Deloitte-NZ


How many Reports for the Racing industry has Ross Milne had roles to play in with his role at Deloitte ?
Which ones have involved the sales of Racecourse Reserve land of which Deloitte have profited from with their own Investments in?

How much has he benefited financially from without being held to account?

Where have all the funds we were promised would go back into Racing Stakes and Education gone to?

It's time for accountability.

Retirement living residential aged care confident growth

https://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages/media-releases/articles/retirement-living-residential-aged-care-confident-growth-240314.html

Deloitte move 1.4 billion retirement assets to sustainability fund

https://www.pionline.com/retirement-plans/deloitte-move-14-billion-retirement-assets-sustainability-fund

Where's the Social responsibility towards sustainability and looking after the environment by destroying Green open places when there's many an empty office and commercial properties that could easily be converted to Aged Care?

 

Ever  seen Retirement village owners and operators sponsor any Horse Races?

Or have activities that involve taking their Residents to the Horse Races and related industry events?

 

 

 

Have you ever heard of Kevin Hickman , very involved in the industry !!!!

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On 7/20/2021 at 8:29 PM, meomy said:

This is timely and fitting to bring to the fore, words from the late Dr Oliver Nicholson, who Dr A. McGregor Grant worked alongside and helped establish the Auckland Racing Club at Ellerslie.

It is equally as relevant today in relation to the constitution of the club in respect of all areas, including that of Patrons.

 

Meeting of Members Auckland Club's Affairs

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19450814.2.42

Here is a link to some of the history related to the late Dr A McGregor Grant for those who may like to educate themselves on his contributions not only to Horse Racing, but to the Medical Profession and Public Health

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?query=Dr+A+McGregor+Grant&phrase=2

Incidentally, he lived in Remuera so it's inappropriate to even contemplate doing away with the Jumps Racing or the Grand Steeplechase named after him, and other related Jumps/ Steeplechase Races, from Ellerslie Racecourse.

Dr McGregor Grants land fronting Remuera Road

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19350315.2.31.6

 

The History and Heritage of the land, and those who contributed towards it, include the whole surrounding body of those people.

Some of the current descendants of the ARC's early administrators/participants eg Ring and Nathan have little or no interest in Racing now but 'love' the way Ellerslie has developed and partake in many activities there...eg Shakespeare , functions ,golf etc , are wowed by the Community involvement ,its overall use and the fact that it is NZ's only course with an International rating and will be used for racing up to 40 times a year !

Plenty to be proud of !

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Going backwards to go forwards, Have you not noticed a pattern of behaviour from those Accountants who audit Horse Racing?
They appear, on the surface to be in it for themselves..without being held to account.

Look at the history and subsequent investments made by John Connolly now former Chair of Deloitte in Head Office in the UK.

Where are the Reports on How to Promote and Market Racing?

It's all about Selling of Assets which don't benefit anyone in the industry longer term.

Just saying there is a better way which is a Win-Win for Racing, we are currently going through very unprecedented times in our living history and the way things are going the materials for works and nor will the money be there/ here to buy Racehorses, let alone, who will be Sponsors of Races?

Please look at the wider picture.

 

Accountants must be held to account and where appropriate stripped of assets they have gained unlawfully at the expense of the wider Society including that of Public Racecourse Reserves.

 

Of course there are good and bad accountants and others everywhere, some here have also had investments in Horses, land, boats, holidays etc at the expense of their Clients.

John Connolly Deloitte amongst other dodgy practices

Top Touche Partner fined over Clowes Scandal - 1995

Top Touche partner fined over Clowes scandal | The Independent | The Independent

Deloitte UK Boss lacked competence - 2004

Deloitte UK boss 'lacked competence' | The Independent | The Independent

Deloitte boss pockets 5.2 million after taxpayer funded bailout of RBS - 2009

Deloitte boss pockets £5.2m after taxpayer-funded bailout of RBS | Daily Mail Online

 

How many of these Deloitte Reports are "Rubber Stamped" across the Globe?

Economic Impact of British Horseracing Authority

Economic impact of British Racing for the British Horseracing Authority | Deloitte UK

Economic Impact of Irish Breeding and Racing

HRI – Economic Impact of Irish Breeding and Racing | Deloitte UK

 Former Deloitte boss John Connolly plots 'rival' to Big Four - 2016

Former Deloitte boss John Connolly plots 'rival' to Big Four - Accountancy Age

 

The State of the State Deloitte New Zealand

The State of the State | Deloitte New Zealand

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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