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Pretty sure it would be a 17/13 split.

My backs would be

Muliaina

Toeava

Sivivatu

Gear

Kahui

Smith

SBW

Nonu

McAlister

Carter

Weepu

Cowan

Mathewson

I make that 5 players out of 13 that could play 2nd five if required; hence the reason why SBW isn't needed.

Meanwhile the likes of Ben Smith and Israel Dagg miss out, along with Cory Jane (who really is playing poorly).

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Oops left Gear out of my team as 3rd specialist winger. What has happened to Rene Ranger?

Ranger is ordinary. Loses concentration too often and would be better off playing league.

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I make that 5 players out of 13 that could play 2nd five if required]

True true QH but the word you used is "could" play 2nd 5.Thats probably not good enough at a World Cup.

I presume apart from SBW and Nonu,the other 3 are Kahui,McAlister and Toeava?

Ben Smith is good enough but not quite for my liking,while Dagg wont have enough rugby under his belt unfortunately.

And Cory Jane??Nah!

So,if Nonu breaks a leg in the first game its SBW and vice versa if SBW goes down its Nonu.The other "coulds" dont do it for me.

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True true QH but the word you used is "could" play 2nd 5.Thats probably not good enough at a World Cup.

I presume apart from SBW and Nonu,the other 3 are Kahui,McAlister and Toeava?

Ben Smith is good enough but not quite for my liking,while Dagg wont have enough rugby under his belt unfortunately.

And Cory Jane??Nah!

So,if Nonu breaks a leg in the first game its SBW and vice versa if SBW goes down its Nonu.The other "coulds" dont do it for me.

If Nonu broke a leg in the first game then, under the tournament rules, a replacement could get named (my scenario = SBW).

Your squad, however, has some inherent potential weaknesses.

What happens if Mils tweaks a hammy in the first game that requires a few weeks rest, but doesn't rule him out of the whole tournament? You'd then have to play Toeava at 15, with Kahui at 14 (as both Gear & Sivi are specialist 11's). Who then would be your outside back cover in the reserves?

A similar situation would occur if the only right-winger in your squad, Toeava, went down with a similar injury.

You poke holes in my 'clouds' for the 12 jersey without analysing the problems in your own squad. Your squad has, IMO, 5 players who could play 12, but only 2 who clould play 15, and 2 who could play 14 (though you'll probably say Sivi could play 15 just to support your argument).

If they go with the 17/13 split, the selection of SBW will create serious problems in the event of players picking up niggling injuries (which has happened at just about every WC so far).

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Clouds = coulds.:D

Dyslexia rules K.O

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.....zzzn MacDonald , he keeps fit and played for Marlborough at Cricket a few months back.

There's not enough Cantabs there at the moment !!!

he could cover for centre as well:D

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.....zzzn MacDonald , he keeps fit and played for Marlborough at Cricket a few months back.

There's not enough Cantabs there at the moment !!!

I can't help but laugh at the Crusaders current injury crisis in their outside backs.

No Maitland. No Dagg. And who do they turn to? Some grey-haired 'never-was' from Auckland.

If Chch rugby really is as strong as people think it is, then surely the Crusaders would have plucked a guy from within their wider training squad?

Or haven't they brought him off Wellington yet? Or any other province for that matter.

This is the danger squads face when they don't have enough cover in their outside backs. A danger the AB selectors could do well to avoid when it comes to naming their WC team.

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I can't help but laugh at the Crusaders current injury crisis in their outside backs.

No Maitland. No Dagg. And who do they turn to? Some grey-haired 'never-was' from Auckland.

If Chch rugby really is as strong as people think it is, then surely the Crusaders would have plucked a guy from within their wider training squad?

Or haven't they brought him off Wellington yet? Or any other province for that matter.

This is the danger squads face when they don't have enough cover in their outside backs. A danger the AB selectors could do well to avoid when it comes to naming their WC team.

.......laugh , that's what people do when any Kiwi province becomes dominant , or for that matter any Kiwi becomes 'xtra good' ,at something.

It's known as the "Tall Poppy" .

.....I hope they lose , I hate Canterbury , they steal other peoples players ,they don't grow their own etc etc.....a chorus of resentment and envy.

In the late 70's and onwards it was Auckland that attracted the Kiwi bitterness cos they were seen as too successful.

Didn't the Crusaders finish last in the first year of Super rugby , and didn't they do something about it rather than just whinge ???

Compare this with the Wellington/Hurricanes rugby scene where they have a huge pool of talent but can't seem to nurture it .

Brilliant raw materials but shonky production and finishing and quality control.

Players want to play in Canterbury , and there are many good stories ......promising lock Romano was a 3rd XV player at school .....while many of the Canterbury production line move to other teams as well.....it's the Professional Area.

So Horse , get to grips with all this will ya.....expand your vision , help Wellywood retain it's hold on NZ Soccer/Football , and I see where Basketball dominated the Annual Sports Awards.

The prime product in the Caketin has simply gone 'stale' !!Take up coaching.

ps.....when you buy a player he is bought.....not brought !!!

Are you sure you have that 6th form cert?

I learned that during my degree in Hamburgerolegy !

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Or don't you give players a chance QH ?

How many years has it taken Ma'a to develop into a decent second five. I mean he first donned the Black jersey in 2003 and wasn't good enough to make the WC squad in 2007, finally 8 yrs after his debut he is a very good second five.

How many idiots said "He's just not that good a rugby player" less than 7 months after his AB debut.

SBW is an amazing athlete and with him and Ma'a the selectors are spoilt for choice.

Forget SBW chasing the $$$$'s he is chasing the dream, he turned down a (rumoured) $6 million 3 yr deal with Toulon to play for about a quarter of that in the Black jersey....I say good on him.

He is only the 2nd ever player to play for the All Blacks after playing for the Kiwi's, he is a very special player, that a lot of long time rugby supporters who have never had the talent to play to the top level of rugby are jealous of, and don't want to see succeed. I am sure you know someone of that description QH :D

Onwards and Upwards.

Hoo Roo from the Crayon writing sports Guru

When you start sidestepping my questions and/or posts, it leads to you getting abusive and then either getting banned or going into hiding...and then coming back as another masked crusader

ho ho ho

PS don't use your standard "i don't want to waste my precious time on your questions" or something similar.

Watching your latest "character" develop on Race Cafe is way better than Shortland St

Hoo Roo

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http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/rugby/news/article/-/9569432/weepu-wants-to-stay-in-nz/

...but doesn't want to change to another franchise.

Well I've got news for you Piri, and that's this. The NZRFU are only interested in re-signing you if you play for the Crusaders. McCaw, Carter, Crockett, Flynn and soon-to-be SBW are proof of that.

Meanwhile amongst the other franchises, players are leaving by the truckload.

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Some fascinating comments were made on radio this morning by Dean Lonergan and Lance Revill concerning SBW's lack of intestinal fortitude.

This flaw in his character has already been exposed in his performances both on and off the field and is the main reason why I refuse to buy in to 'the myth'.

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Another sensational effort from the big man tonight.

Gee he gets through some work.:D

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Where's the SBW fan club gone?

I've been telling you guys for well over 12 months now that he's a myth and won't be the 'number 1' number 12 come WC time and I'm going to be proven right.

He is a complete flake who is yet to put in an 80 minute effort in either code.

What I found hilarious about last night's limp effort from the big man was his 'no arms' tackle on one of the Blues. Justin Marshall, who is obviously a SBW sycophant, was raving about the 'big hit' Sonny Bill put on before getting reminded by his co-commentators that it was actually an illegal tackle.

One things for certain though: if Ma'a had made the same tackle, he would have been shown a yellow card.

But getting back to Justin Marshall, surely we can find someone with a better command of the spoken word? All commentators must adhere to some standard of pronunciation in order to be understood by others, yet Marshall manages to do for the English language what Jack the Ripper did for late night shopping.

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.....you are sure a Canterbury hater.

SBW obviously received an injury early on....very nasty of you to make a big deal out of that.

JMarshall, I think , is pleasant to listen to and overall a good commentator.

Certainly prefer him to MMexted and GFox.

Speaking of change.....and I was telling you years ago that Ma'aa needed to change...I think Welly are where they are now because of their reluctance to 'change'.

As CJane said in interview last week...We don't play with structure , we just do our own thing as the situation arises !!

So much talent in Hurricanes region but ,like you , blame the coach ,blame the ref , blame Canterbury's recruiting , blame the opposition fans and pick on SBW .

SBW....a huge following , good for the sport at mo.

So instead of laughing at SBW and anything Canterbury , giggle at Friday's pathetic draw and Nonu's claim about how his Mum and Dad are feeling !!!

Nonu , Hore and those other loose cannons should know better....and you too !!

What a soap opera .....what a joke !!!

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Where's the SBW fan club gone?

I've been telling you guys for well over 12 months now that he's a myth and won't be the 'number 1' number 12 come WC time and I'm going to be proven right.

.

Firstly I'm not a SBW fan.

Secondly you will be proven wrong, if SBW is fit come WC time, should the ABs make the WC Cup final SBW will be announced as the STARTING #12 with Nonu listed as a RESERVE.

Whether SBW is a Myth or not doesn't come into play.

His manager Khoder Nassar, who helps run the Mundine circus was in lengthy discussions with the NZRU before Williams signed.

Nassar explained his client (Williams has one goal and that is playing for the All Blacks in the WC) Nassar said Williams had no preference to which Provence he played for, he wanted the NZRU to make the decision that would give him the greatest chance of fur-filling his dream of playing in the WC final.

It was a pretty easy decision in the end learning his trait playing outside the best #10 in world rugby was his best chance of edging Nonu out of the coveted inside centre spot.

It would also give Williams sufficient time to conjure up a combination with DC, which would be foremost in the argument for his selection over Nonu.

Lets face it DC makes Williams look good, had SBW gone to the Chiefs he could kiss his WC ambitions goodbye.

No doubt 1/4 will be back to tell one and sundry that it makes him laugh how people who attend the odd game with their kids and don't understand the subtleties of the game can make comment .

Well that may well be true, but I'm here to tell 1/4 team Mundine with manager Nassar have gambled heavily on this charade, and he will edge Nonu.

That's how i see it and come October we will find out.

Just quietly I hope 1/4 is right and Nonu is the starting inside centre.

And just on Williams if he resigns for NZRU, there will be no doubt conditions surrounding his boxing, if he only resigns for another 12 months, that means he will be heading back to League, in 2013 the NRL Salary cap will be raised by over 2 million a year.

Quade Cooper is past the post to play NRL in 2013 that's why he only signed a 1 year extension.

James O'Connor (superstar) who grew up being a Warriors fan idol (Stacey Jones) is another who is a chance to swap codes.

Will Chambers- Who never quite made the grade in the 15 a side, and of course SBW.

SBW is a marketing product for team Mundine, and is worth plenty to them in selling their circus.

The rematch between Mundine and Garth Wood which Mundine went onto win was worth $600k to Garth Wood just in the revenue raised through TV commission, so imagine what awaits Williams his profile is 10 fold compared to Woods, the public sucked into this farce hoping he gets knocked out, where all opponents are hand picked by team Mundine.

There you have it October 2011 SBW V NONU

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...you have the temerity to talk about matters 'pathetic', when one of the most pathetic things I've ever read on here is your continued gloating about a photo you have of you and Serena Williams.

The first time I read it I thought it was a genuine gee-up. I believed you that the photo had actually happened, but I didn't believe the importance you placed on it.

Now you've achieved quite a lot in your life have you not? A successful business owner; marriage; children, some of whom I imagine are university graduates; some notable horse-related accomplishments; sporting accomplishments, all of which would have involved a countless number of relationships with other people, with some irreplaceable memories being shared with said people.

Yet the one photo you value above all others is with a women who has the personality of something you'd find on the side of your shoe and who wouldn't recognise you if she ran over you.

That, in the context of your life, is truly pathetic.

But I suppose that's a Canterbury thing isn't it. You're all sycophantic towards one thing or another; you all believe 'your way' is the 'best way', despite there being no real international success to back that up.

SBW is a powder-puff, and injury or no injury, you can't tackle like he did as it's deemed illegal (well it is for those outside of ChCh).

SBW's following will also be temporary as people are starting to cotton on to the fact that he's not that good. Already on here we are not seeing the usual fervour surrounding his alleged ability. And like I said a few weeks back, he will put nothing back into the game once he leaves.

As for VC, yes you're correct, I hold no credence to your opinions about Nonu/SBW. In fact, to see you barrack for SBW has actually given me more confidence that 'Ma'a will star', and here's a few reasons why: Will Chambers; Ivan Cleary; Kevin Locke for five-eighth.

They are all names that you have been wrong about before and SBW will be another to add to the pile.

Your 'cloudy' claim that SBW's management will actually have the final say as to who starts between Ma'a and SBW come WC time is laughable at best.

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.....good to see you revert to attacking the person , in the hope they disappear in shame so to make your contributions look so clever.

Do you want a copy of that Serena photo??

Possibly not the best ......that could be the Sean Fitz one.

I see Sean has a book out...."Winning Matters" , it may be of interest to yourself and other petulant Welly Fans.

It apparently features in the Womans Weekly.....like you I'm unsure if it's women or woman......but this week it will have to share space with the hurt Ma'aaa feels on behalf of his Ma and Pa !!!

ps....where do I send you that photo ??

Moomoomoo....ringadingding

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...and as usual, you contribute nothing.

Why is that I wonder? Was there nothing on the news highlights? Nothing insightful from fellow RC posters? Or nothing to read down at your local fish'nchip shop?:D

I'll tell you why you have nothing to remember but inconsequential photo's of yourself and celebrities, it's because you have no mates.:D

I don't know how many times I've been told that despite all these successful ventures of yours, you are regularly seen out'n'about ON.YOUR.OWN.:D

Even when you had that Melbourne Cup Horse, you were there on your own (despite it being a syndicate of owners).:D That little fact was revealed to me by the wife of one of your fellow co-owners by the way.;)

But please, don't let me stop you. We all enjoy your insights ("play Ma'a at fullback";))...and not to forget the name dropping.

Most of us don't need to do that as we're not insecure and don't feel the

need to reaffirm our sense of importance...but then you're not like 'most of us'....you're more like, 'most of you'...on your own.:D

As for Marshall being better than Mex; funniest claim ever. Unlike Marshall, Mex is a GREAT All Black and is not monosyllabic. He's also what we in Wellington like to celebrate, in that he's got character and flair, and a sense of 'I'll do it my way'.

But getting back to Hammett, the revelation that he's made two signings is what most here in Wgtn have been fearing all along, in that he's going to turn the Canes into the 'Crusaders 2nd XV'.

Ben May is from Tasman and would be the 4th rated prop in the Crusaders franchise (if he chose to remain in the franchise). While Broadhurst would rank about 5th currently, though the Crusaders were chasing him for next year as they're losing both Thorn and Jack.

Can't wait to see who he has got lined up to replace Ma'a and Aaron Cruden.:rolleyes:

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NZ Herald is running a poll online SBW v Nonu.

Nonu leads the poll with 51% OF THE VOTE.

SBW 41%

Luke Mc 6%........and Other 2%

Well that now gives the AB selectors four avenues from which to select their team: news highlight reels; fish'n'chip paper; informed (:D) RaceCafe comments; and NZ Herald Polls.

Tasman Man will be loving this!:D

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