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...you also thought Nonu would make a better fullback than 2nd five, so I wouldn't go rating your own analytical ability so highly if I was you.:D

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I refuse to be drawn into a Rugby debate with an intellectual lighweight who proposes that the AB's should only have two back reserves.

What are you thinking?

Your post shows a total lack of lateral thinking towards the consequences of what you are suggesting.

You offer nothing.

You have nothing to offer.

And if you were a 'Treaty', one Prendergast CJ would indeed have described you as a "nullity!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Prendergast_(judge)

And just for TM, I am well aware of the 'brand' that is SBW: for it is only through the brand that he is where he is today.

You could have players that can play in more than one position....so you could have reserve props that can also play wing and locks that can play second five centre and fullback....not specialists that would be stupid.....

Am I as ridiculous as when I suggested Nonu developed a kicking game and you shot me down and then a previos post from you suggested "Nonu would be a greater player if he developed a kicking game"

Ho Ho Ho

Actually my bad that wasn't you.... it was that other know all idiot Taylor

Sincere Apologies

Jezza

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I refuse to be drawn into a Rugby debate with an intellectual lighweight who proposes that the AB's should only have two back reserves.

What are you thinking?

Your post shows a total lack of lateral thinking towards the consequences of what you are suggesting.

You offer nothing.

You have nothing to offer.

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Nitwit, it was in response to you saying that running at tired legs in the last 20 minutes was a myth.

I know the predictacle, Hooker, Prop, Lock, Flanker, Halfack, First Five, Midfielder mix that makes up the bench....

So I jokingly suggested 3 when it is normally 2 and you mention consequences of that.....Holy Hell it would be catastrophic wouldn't it....

And I wouldn't give TM any grief at least he hasn't said "The Incumbents are Automatic because they are the best players in those positions"....meaning you think Toeava is the best right wing in NZ at the moment....

I would rather offer nothing than offer that utter rubbish

Jezza

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...you also thought Nonu would make a better fullback than 2nd five, so I wouldn't go rating your own analytical ability so highly if I was you.:D

.....me out of context , but the bottom line is he is a risk in centers.

This isn't a Welly or Hurricanes thread but the truth is they are a crap team and don't really deserve all the discussion on here.

I wouldn't cross the road to watch them.

I saw the highlights on the late news and Nonu fell over for two trise , the second one he got in front of carrier and must have at least received the ball in front etc so was lucky ,while he waved thru at least one of Forces tries.

Ma'ay be he came out in credit but Cruden seemed to make the last 2 match winning tries.

So don't waste any more breathe on this crap team.

Auckland and Crusaders look like genuine contenders and Highlanders generally doing well.

The Hurricanes ,crap as usual , been telling you this for years.

They are a dysfunctional rabble , basically lacking between the ears.

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SBW and Fruean are our midfield for the big Cup games after they help us win the Tri Nations :)

Funniest post ever.

The "brains trust" of the All Black backline.

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.....me out of context , but the bottom line is he is a risk in centers.

This isn't a Welly or Hurricanes thread but the truth is they are a crap team and don't really deserve all the discussion on here.

I wouldn't cross the road to watch them.

I saw the highlights on the late news and Nonu fell over for two trise , the second one he got in front of carrier and must have at least received the ball in front etc so was lucky ,while he waved thru at least one of Forces tries.

Ma'ay be he came out in credit but Cruden seemed to make the last 2 match winning tries.

So don't waste any more breathe on this crap team.

Auckland and Crusaders look like genuine contenders and Highlanders generally doing well.

The Hurricanes ,crap as usual , been telling you this for years.

They are a dysfunctional rabble , basically lacking between the ears.

...the pleadings of a desperate man. People who usually claim that utterances have been 'taken out of context' are only trying to cover up their own inadequacies.

As for being a risk in the centres, can you please list all the games the AB's have lost that Ma'a has been directly responsible for, and all the games he has been responsible for winning. Don't forget to include the 2010 Tests against Wales and South Africa in the latter category.

You then claim that the Canes are crap and receive too much attention on here. May I remind you that it has taken a Crusaders coach to bring out the full potential of their 'crapiness'. Prior to the overrated Hammett taking the reigns, we were under-achievers who won more than we lost.

As for the amount of attention they get, surely you can relate to that? This site celebrates 'crapiness'; why else would they allow you to post if they didn't?

Then you provided us with a critique of Nonu's game based on what you saw on the news. That's very impressive Gary. Perhaps you could forward that suggestion to the NZRFU? Imagine the money they could save by insisting that Messrs Henry, Hansen, and Smith no longer travel to games to watch certain players; instead they could just 'mysky' the various 'news programmes' and make their choices from there.

Or am I taking what you said out of context?

Face the facts. Fact 1: Ma'a gets the attention he does because he's the most devastating player we've had since Jonah Lomu. Fact 2: You always make a fool of yourself when you try and make analytical suggestions based on your limited knowledge base. Retrospective clairvoyance has always been your go; in that it affords you the chance to sit back after the event and counter-punch with what only the gullible would interpret as 'words from a wise man'.

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.....I was able to make certain inferences from a few postings on here plus seeing the highlights on the News , and reading a report on the Herald site.

Little changes with the Hurricanes who have underperformed for years ,and they seem to be getting worse as currently they basically have an All Black backline.

And what has happened in the past may not necessary be repeated in the future ,particularly when you talk about these Hurricane backs ....they are getting older and some are off overseas next year , Nonu seems to be making more and more mistakes of late so it is a fact that he is a risk....that is a fact.

The Hurricanes are perennial underperformers...that is a fact.

Who coaches them is irrelevant to their dysfunctionality.

Prop Tialata also falls into that category.

Of course these points are ones I have been making for some years ,and I have been proven correct hence your long winded response to try and discredit my OPINION , and your weak attempt to isolate a comment I made some time back.

And if the Hurricanes were not a crap team they would get a half-decent crowd to support them.

Their support has dropped back significantly. That is a fact , and further proof that they are a crap team.

I thought Soccer / Football may take over in Wellywood ,but even that has got the staggers , and it could be Basketball becomes the major sport.

Cricket was a shocker ,again !!!

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...incorrect once again.

This season has been their 'worst season ever'.

It's also Hammett's first season in charge.

Their is a causal link between the two that any blind man could see.

Then you trot out the same tired spiel about the Canes AB-laden backline. I'm starting to believe that you must be the Canes forward coach: "Don't worry about pushing in those scrums tonight boys, or tackling around the fringes, because we've got a bunch of stars in the backs that don't need a decent platform upon which to operate".

As I said TM, stick to retrospective clairvoyance...you're the cheap-shot 'King' of RC...long live the King! :D

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SBW and Fruean are our midfield for the big Cup games after they help us win the Tri Nations :)

Don't agree with you KT,the more games Nonu plays with SBW breathing down his neck,the more it's showing of Nonu's ability to handle pressure,not that I am still satisfied that SBW is the answer.Fruean could be a very exciting AB in the future,but not time now to experience.A fit Kahu would be Smiths back up,Smith has such organizational skills that neither Kahui or Fruean possess,and at this level and desperation to win the cup,I would have Tueava as the 3rd cover for centre.

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......your belligerence is overwhelming , but inaccuracies from you flow freely .

The King....wasn't this a previous poster from your area ???

Cheap-shot.....doubt if I could match the scalpel-tongue dribble oozing out of Wellywood !!!!

Analytical....blame the Coach ,ho ho ho ,that's a new one !!!!

Worst season ever....how can a perennial under-achiever get any worse.

The word CRAP....OK for the local Analysts to use the word but.....

It's the fault of the forwards not the AB backline.....last time I bothered to check the pack were mostly All Blacks as well !!!

Ma'aa ,the most devastating AB/player since JLomu.......yeah right !!!

So devastating the fans don't bother turning up to watch him , and responsible for the AB's outstanding record , a great player for AB's but crap for the Hurricanes.

Hohoho .....even thinking about discussing the Hurricanes is like going to a Flower show and ignoring the beautiful blossoms and flowers and turning everyones attention to the Weeds ,the old mans beard ....the smelly rubbish.

It ain't worth the breathe.

Those AB's in the pack....name 'em !!

Make it your last say !!!!

No personal attacks , just facts please !!!!

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...refuse to accept that the Canes forwards weren't at fault on Friday night, yet you didn't even watch the game!:D You relied on news highlights; ill-informed RaceCafe members (funniest thing I've ever heard); and fish'n'chip paper.

And not only is Ma'a the most devastating player the AB's have had since JL, he's also the most analysed.

I haven't heard one mention on here about the number of tackles that Conrad Smith missed on Friday. Why? Because sage analysts know that he'll perform in the AB's jersey, as he always does. Same goes for Hore. And yes, the same goes for Nonu.

The fact that he may not be playing at the same dizzy heights he reaches for the AB's is irrelevant. He has the 'runs on the board' so to speak. As for your claim that he's playing crap! Ho ho how wrong can you be!:D The game that I watched on Friday had him scoring two tries. Opposition teams know that they have to shut Ma'a down if they are to contain the Canes; and it has been that way for years.

These are things you'd know if you actually watched the games.:D

Enjoy your gardening. Eion Scarrow: eat you heart out!

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I hadn't realised that 1/4 horses smelled of troll,but after looking at several of part horses posts (in other forums on this site),I realise that one absolutely stinks of troll,and I shall be treating this particular troll with the contempt it deserves - by ignoring it. :(

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I hadn't realised that 1/4 horses smelled of troll,but after looking at several of part horses posts (in other forums on this site),I realise that one absolutely stinks of troll,and I shall be treating this particular troll with the contempt it deserves - by ignoring it. :(

Good for you Graeme...though past evidence will suggest that those who go to the trouble of posting such an intention invariably struggle to follow through with it.:D

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...drops the ball with his first touch of the ball.

...then leaves the field to get a boxing injury seen to; which was apparently a cut to the hand; though he returns to the field without any bandages around the alleged wound.

...races up in defense, a la 'league style', and lets his opposition number waltz on by for an easy try.

...gives away a penalty at the ruck.

...gets the ball behind the advantage line; has no idea what to do; so he dances around for a few seconds before off-loading.

...and is rarely seen for the rest of the game.

He's a one-trick pony who still looks like a leaguie learning the ropes. He doesn't get involved enough because he can't read the play.

He overrated to the max and will be lucky to make the World Cup squad.

Other interesting observations: Tasman Tom is, to put it mildly, crap; Aussie Robbie was spotted in the stands, obviously he hasn't caught on to the latest trend of assessing all the players via news highlight reels, RaceCafe, and online news sites; and most importantly, how big a risk is the persistent offending by McCaw going to be to the AB's chances of winning the World Cup?

Face it sheepshaggers. Your skipper blew it for you tonight.

Thought the ref had an outstanding game.

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Not one of SBW's best performances but overshadowed by another incompetent display by Stuart Dickinson. McCaw was obviously very pissed off the lack of consistancy with Dickinson penalising the Crusaders for everything he could and turning a blind eye to much of the Reds offending. McCaw did very welll to keep it together when interviewed after the game.

Dickinson missed several obvious knock ons and forward passes leading up to points being scored and he should be held accountable for his woefull performance.

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...drops the ball with his first touch of the ball.

...then leaves the field to get a boxing injury seen to]

Unless you watched the game twice.

Sounds like you were fixated (in a stalker type of way) on watching SBW so you could list his mistakes.

I notice you haven't commented on Nonu missing 2 tackles that led to Western Force try's.

SBW Talented at League, Boxing and Rugby...hardly a "one trick pony"

Nonu is not a one trick pony either....as he is talented (yes I do rate Nonu as a great second five) at Rugby and Applying L'Oreal Eye Liner :D

PS I only watched patches of the game as I watched The Mighty Red V win their 9th game in a row against The Tigers.... however The Rugby players at work I spoke to today said SBW was just marked out of the game....

Wonder what sort of Crowd at Suncorp it would have been if Ma'a and The Canes had of been playing the Reds....you do the maths HorsesRear

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...however The Rugby players at work I spoke to today said SBW was just marked out of the game....

Tasma'an Ma'an and GoodGobster...two peas in a pod.

Neither of them watch sport]http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/hp2cs_331Dobby.jpg

Well answer me this: what would a bunch of illiterate factory workers know about analysing a player's performance?

Face the facts: SBW is not up to it. When the heat goes on, he goes missing. Why? Because he hasn't played enough rugby and doesn't INSTINCTIVELY know what to do.

He is...a ONE.TRICK.PONY!

Changing tack to the greatest 2nd five in world rugby, and the greatest 2nd five in AB history, Ma'arvellous Ma'a Nonu made his second club rugby appearance in as many weeks for his Ories Club on Saturday (this was after playing for the Canes on Friday night).

Perhaps SBW could start showing that same sort of committment to NZ Rugby! You know, the grassroots level..or is he too worried about his boxing career and all the other stuff he's got going on?

You guys have all been sucked in by this media phenomenon who is only in it for himself.

You mark my words. SBW will put NOTHING, that's NOTHING, back into rugby when he finishes.

Enjoy your Monday....sheepshaggers.:D

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...however The Rugby players at work I spoke to today said SBW was just marked out of the game....

Couldn't let this one pass.

Poor old SBW...he was marked out of the game...oh how I bet he wished he could play against Scotland every week.:D

Ask the fruit-packers this Dobby. When was the last time Ma'a got marked out of a game? The answer is that he doesn't! Even though he always draws 2-3 defenders to him.

That's the difference between the two.

SBW = flat-track bully.

Nonu = World's Greatest Ever 2nd Five.

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Both Nonu and Sonny Bill had average games on the weekend. Nonu's defence was weak by his standards while Sonny Bill failed to make an impact and was outshone by Frewan. They both need to lift.

I'd put it out there that Nonu would be one of the boys upset by Hammetts coaching style. At the same time Sonny Bill can't focus on rugby when he's in the middle of training for a big boxing bout.

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I'd put it out there that Nonu would be one of the boys upset by Hammetts coaching style.

And what coaching style is that PB? Picking players like D.Kirkpatrick; Keats; etc etc...or the style that ends up with them losing games?

Yeah I agree with you. I bet Ma'a is upset that they now have a crap coach who was unproven at this level, yet got the job ahead of Dave Rennie and J.Joseph.

That would tend to do my head in as well PB.

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OPINION: Mea culpa. In 1990 the British government minister Norman Tebbit called it the 'cricket test' when questioning whether immigrants would support their adopted land. For me it is the rugby test and I have failed with dishonours. I have spoiled the examination paper and left the room in shame.

I wanted to fit in, I wanted to be accepted, I wanted to be part of the community, but every time I tried to cheer on the boys, all that came out was a hideous high-pitched laugh of pity. It turned out that my would-be heroes weren't so much Hurricanes as a bad case of wind.

In the first match of the season Ma'a Nonu, an experienced All Black, managed to get himself sin-binned. Twice. Oh well, he seems a good guy I reasoned, the sort of bloke who visits cancer hospitals, so I gave him a third chance.

A few games later the Canes take a ten point lead against the Sharks and I reckon it's time to crack open a ginger beer. This is the high season in the Wairarapa. Then Nonu is intercepted for a try. Then he is yellow-carded for the third time this season.

"Don't switch the telly off," begged my son, who would watch a man hit a ping pong ball against a wall for ten hours, "Let's watch the ads." I relented. And there was Nonu again, with Cory Jane, showing his sublime skills with a water melon. My left eye began to twitch. Was this the same Ma'a Nonu who hasn't been able to pass off his left hand for ten years. Things were getting weird.

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