NZTR Appointments

[gubellini 4,004]

NZTR have announced today that interim Chairman Cameron George will remain Chairman and at their next AGM two Deputy Chairman will be appointed- Darryll Park and Bruce Sharrock. All three have heavy involvement in other sports. George CEO with the Warriors. Park as Director of the Canterbury Rugby Union and Sharrock as a Rugby Manager/Sports Agent. I would like feedback as to whether this trio are a good fit for NZTR?

[TurnyTom 1,541]

And you ask why we see no way forward

[TurnyTom 1,541]

40 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Best NZTR line up we’ve had in my time .. potentially anyway .... they’ll deliver, even in this difficult environment 

You are kidding us, they are a Fucn joke, you need to get out more

[Insider 3,961]

Their real interest is in other sports....surely! 

Having said that they certainly appear successful.....well three out of the four.

What's so difficult about this environment other than hospo has been hammered and anyone relying on overseas tourists are on their knees?

Retail spending in so many sectors is well up, as is betting turnover. 

We can't travel overseas so those with spare cash are certainly spending it elsewhere including in racing, the Yearling Sales a case in point.

These three new Guys will have money to spend for the first time in a decade!

[chevy86 2,710]

1 hour ago, gubellini said:

NZTR have announced today that interim Chairman Cameron George will remain Chairman and at their next AGM two Deputy Chairman will be appointed- Darryll Park and Bruce Sharrock. All three have heavy involvement in other sports. George CEO with the Warriors. Park as Director of the Canterbury Rugby Union and Sharrock as a Rugby Manager/Sports Agent. I would like feedback as to whether this trio are a good fit for NZTR?

Where's Raelene Castle? That would be the icing on the cake! Forget about the horse racing aspect that requires the attention.

[JJ Flash 2,135]

Its the end of the MIA dynasty if that's what you would call it. Carter and Jackson gone and his probable pick as chairman  not making the cut. This truly might be the beginning of something way better than many would anticipate IMHO

[We're Doomed 4,866]

Quite a serious question here as I don't really know the racing credentials of these three. What exactly do those who think these three are the best we have ever had and this is the beginning of something think these three are going to do? What direction do you think racing needs to head in?

NZTR has been pretty decisive so far eliminating several tracks and tripling the stakes offered by the likes of Banks Pen and Waikouaiti when they move to a city track. Is there evidence that this has worked brilliantly? We don't really get to see turnovers and other relevant data.

As I said, a totally serious question as some on here seem to be aware of the agenda of this new governance group.

[Pam Robson 1,551]

7 hours ago, We're Doomed said:

Quite a serious question here as I don't really know the racing credentials of these three. What exactly do those who think these three are the best we have ever had and this is the beginning of something think these three are going to do? What direction do you think racing needs to head in?

NZTR has been pretty decisive so far eliminating several tracks and tripling the stakes offered by the likes of Banks Pen and Waikouaiti when they move to a city track. Is there evidence that this has worked brilliantly? We don't really get to see turnovers and other relevant data.

As I said, a totally serious question as some on here seem to be aware of the agenda of this new governance group.

I have met Darryll Park.    He was recently at the Coast circuit, was very willing to chat to anyone who wished to have an ear,  and as the son/stepson of Tom and Greta Lalor, would certainly have knowledge of the grass-roots side of racing.

I can't comment on his other directorships, obviously.

[We're Doomed 4,866]

3 hours ago, Pam Robson said:

I have met Darryll Park.    He was recently at the Coast circuit, was very willing to chat to anyone who wished to have an ear,  and as the son/stepson of Tom and Greta Lalor, would certainly have knowledge of the grass-roots side of racing.

I can't comment on his other directorships, obviously.

Thanks for that Pam. At least he has some racing knowledge which makes a nice change.

I notice the actual NZTR announcement says George will remain chairman "until" the AGM. So he hasn't been locked in for years to come. I can't see him getting around racemeetings listening to the grass-roots in months to come.

[eljay 1,720]

George is an Aussie who came to NZ as a stipe.

[Trump 2,741]

35 minutes ago, eljay said:

George is an Aussie who came to NZ as a stipe.

Like many who post on this site, you need to realise that we live in a “Global” community. Whether it’s a Sports Club or Team, a Public or Private Company, etc, etc, you pick or hire the best person “available” for the job. 
Soccer, Rugby, Cricket, Commerce, you name it, all around the World, people of different Nationalities are hired as the “best candidate who applied”. Many Kiwis are scattered around the world occupying these positions. Chris Liddell, a very clever Kiwi, ended up Deputy Chief of Staff to Donald Trump! 
Many on here thumb their noses at anyone other than a kiwi being chosen for a Leadership position in NZ. Especially when it comes to Racing. Rather than look at the selections, look at the Selection process - that’s where I think the problems occur. It doesn’t matter if the successful candidate is from Ethiopia or Timbuktu! As long as the candidate is COVID free and can do the job, let em have it. 
NZTR got Messara to do an independent unbiased report on the NZ Racing Industry. Reason? For a 100years NZ Racing has been slowly going into decline, doing the same things and going backwards. In comes an invited Messara, a very clever, successful Breeder and Racing Administrator. Someone who gets things done. One of the reasons Racing is thriving and growing in Australia. Working with Corporate Bookmakers (Ladbrokes, Sportingbet etc), building new Stands (eg, Randwick, Caulfield, Flemington, etc) Stable Complexes, building new racetracks, and so on and so forth. The Industry in Australia is on a steep upward trend. There’s confidence.

So Messara came, did his job and what did NZ do? Argued “no not me!” Buggar  all has changed IMO. The Breeders are still the same - very astute, very good at what they do and will continue to do. But racing? All we seem to hear is the bitching and moaning about the monopoly on betting rather than embracing the competition and getting them to contribute. Nobody (seems) to want to take seriously, the Messara Report recommendations. New NZTR appointments are met with derisive comment - without giving a chance! He/she is not a racing person etc. He’s an Aussie, we need a kiwi. 
Perhaps one of the reasons Australia is doing so well is because they are prepared to go outside the circle? A female Chairman built the new Flemington Grandstand. That’s a Racing Club that once wouldn’t allow women as Members nor into the Members Bar as a guest! Once upon a time, one couldn’t enter a Members area on a racecourse unless a Jacket and Tie were worn. Not anymore. Times change folks and unless NZ Racing changes along with the times, it will continue to die a slow death.

The new Wallaby Coach has got a big job on his hands, but at least the Aussies had the gonads to hire the best person for the job - even if he wasn’t an Australian! 

[tasman man 742]

29 minutes ago, Trump said:

Like many who post on this site, you need to realise that we live in a “Global” community. Whether it’s a Sports Club or Team, a Public or Private Company, etc, etc, you pick or hire the best person “available” for the job. 
Soccer, Rugby, Cricket, Commerce, you name it, all around the World, people of different Nationalities are hired as the “best candidate who applied”. Many Kiwis are scattered around the world occupying these positions. Chris Liddell, a very clever Kiwi, ended up Deputy Chief of Staff to Donald Trump! 
Many on here thumb their noses at anyone other than a kiwi being chosen for a Leadership position in NZ. Especially when it comes to Racing. Rather than look at the selections, look at the Selection process - that’s where I think the problems occur. It doesn’t matter if the successful candidate is from Ethiopia or Timbuktu! As long as the candidate is COVID free and can do the job, let em have it. 
NZTR got Messara to do an independent unbiased report on the NZ Racing Industry. Reason? For a 100years NZ Racing has been slowly going into decline, doing the same things and going backwards. In comes an invited Messara, a very clever, successful Breeder and Racing Administrator. Someone who gets things done. One of the reasons Racing is thriving and growing in Australia. Working with Corporate Bookmakers (Ladbrokes, Sportingbet etc), building new Stands (eg, Randwick, Caulfield, Flemington, etc) Stable Complexes, building new racetracks, and so on and so forth. The Industry in Australia is on a steep upward trend. There’s confidence.

So Messara came, did his job and what did NZ do? Argued “no not me!” Buggar  all has changed IMO. The Breeders are still the same - very astute, very good at what they do and will continue to do. But racing? All we seem to hear is the bitching and moaning about the monopoly on betting rather than embracing the competition and getting them to contribute. Nobody (seems) to want to take seriously, the Messara Report recommendations. New NZTR appointments are met with derisive comment - without giving a chance! He/she is not a racing person etc. He’s an Aussie, we need a kiwi. 
Perhaps one of the reasons Australia is doing so well is because they are prepared to go outside the circle? A female Chairman built the new Flemington Grandstand. That’s a Racing Club that once wouldn’t allow women as Members nor into the Members Bar as a guest! Once upon a time, one couldn’t enter a Members area on a racecourse unless a Jacket and Tie were worn. Not anymore. Times change folks and unless NZ Racing changes along with the times, it will continue to die a slow death.

The new Wallaby Coach has got a big job on his hands, but at least the Aussies had the gonads to hire the best person for the job - even if he wasn’t an Australian! 

Sometimes Trump you talk a lot of sense !

But the negativity on here is not a true representation of the industry and there are many  folk trying to get the Industry back where it needs to be.

Trying to future proof the Industry and save jobs etc.

We a small population and will always lack the financial muscle of our closest neighbours Australia and Hong Kong  and our culture and lifestyles changed here...racing no longer features in most households like it once did.

We only want change if it doesn't change our little and narrow neighbourhood/ self interest.

[JJ Flash 2,135]

2 hours ago, We're Doomed said:

says George will remain chairman "until" the AGM. So he hasn't been locked in for years to come.

May well have been a tactical move and for mine a good one at that.

[We're Doomed 4,866]

39 minutes ago, tasman man said:

Sometimes Trump you talk a lot of sense !

But the negativity on here is not a true representation of the industry and there are many  folk trying to get the Industry back where it needs to be.

Trying to future proof the Industry and save jobs etc.

We a small population and will always lack the financial muscle of our closest neighbours Australia and Hong Kong  and our culture and lifestyles changed here...racing no longer features in most households like it once did.

We only want change if it doesn't change our little and narrow neighbourhood/ self interest.

I'm not sure that all those who challenge the prevailing doctrine can be called negative Tasman. After all we have no evidence so far that this extreme approach is working.

It does put me in mind of this bit of prose:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

[tasman man 742]

29 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

I'm not sure that all those who challenge the prevailing doctrine can be called negative Tasman. After all we have no evidence so far that this extreme approach is working.

It does put me in mind of this bit of prose:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

When Shakespeare quoted that ....or was it Spokeshave ?.....I bet they weren't protesting on social media !

Under an anonymous name !

[Ohokaman 5,842]

2 hours ago, Trump said:

Like many who post on this site, you need to realise that we live in a “Global” community. Whether it’s a Sports Club or Team, a Public or Private Company, etc, etc, you pick or hire the best person “available” for the job. 
Soccer, Rugby, Cricket, Commerce, you name it, all around the World, people of different Nationalities are hired as the “best candidate who applied”. Many Kiwis are scattered around the world occupying these positions. Chris Liddell, a very clever Kiwi, ended up Deputy Chief of Staff to Donald Trump! 
Many on here thumb their noses at anyone other than a kiwi being chosen for a Leadership position in NZ. Especially when it comes to Racing. Rather than look at the selections, look at the Selection process - that’s where I think the problems occur. It doesn’t matter if the successful candidate is from Ethiopia or Timbuktu! As long as the candidate is COVID free and can do the job, let em have it. 
NZTR got Messara to do an independent unbiased report on the NZ Racing Industry. Reason? For a 100years NZ Racing has been slowly going into decline, doing the same things and going backwards. In comes an invited Messara, a very clever, successful Breeder and Racing Administrator. Someone who gets things done. One of the reasons Racing is thriving and growing in Australia. Working with Corporate Bookmakers (Ladbrokes, Sportingbet etc), building new Stands (eg, Randwick, Caulfield, Flemington, etc) Stable Complexes, building new racetracks, and so on and so forth. The Industry in Australia is on a steep upward trend. There’s confidence.

So Messara came, did his job and what did NZ do? Argued “no not me!” Buggar  all has changed IMO. The Breeders are still the same - very astute, very good at what they do and will continue to do. But racing? All we seem to hear is the bitching and moaning about the monopoly on betting rather than embracing the competition and getting them to contribute. Nobody (seems) to want to take seriously, the Messara Report recommendations. New NZTR appointments are met with derisive comment - without giving a chance! He/she is not a racing person etc. He’s an Aussie, we need a kiwi. 
Perhaps one of the reasons Australia is doing so well is because they are prepared to go outside the circle? A female Chairman built the new Flemington Grandstand. That’s a Racing Club that once wouldn’t allow women as Members nor into the Members Bar as a guest! Once upon a time, one couldn’t enter a Members area on a racecourse unless a Jacket and Tie were worn. Not anymore. Times change folks and unless NZ Racing changes along with the times, it will continue to die a slow death.

The new Wallaby Coach has got a big job on his hands, but at least the Aussies had the gonads to hire the best person for the job - even if he wasn’t an Australian! 

How many foreigners are running Aussie racing Trumpy ?.

[Trump 2,741]

46 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

How many foreigners are running Aussie racing Trumpy ?.

I’m not sure Ohokason. But there’s plenty of “Foreigners” at the forefront of Sport, Mining Companies, Banks, Big Business etc. my point is, Nationality is not the issue - that’s just parochialism. The issue is “Selection Process”. Getting the best candidate from those that put their hands up. If they don’t have the passion to change and prosper and there’s not enough money on the table to attract the right people, the job won’t be done. That’s my take on it. 

[Nerula 1,403]

The reason why George still has the reins is Jackson and Carter were not wanted.Cameron George is a bit aloof but that may not be a bad thing for a chair/ceo.

I support the incoming board as thay are backed by industry people more connected than me.

Hence I endorse Leos comments.

[eljay 1,720]

6 hours ago, Trump said:

Like many who post on this site, you need to realise that we live in a “Global” community. Whether it’s a Sports Club or Team, a Public or Private Company, etc, etc, you pick or hire the best person “available” for the job. 
 

 

One of your most amazing posts yet.         If he was an Eskimo I would have said that.       Never did I say he should not be picked for the job - stop letting your imagination run wild otherwise you may get impeached 

[Disillusioned 389]

5 hours ago, tasman man said:

When Shakespeare quoted that ....or was it Spokeshave ?.....I bet they weren't protesting on social media !

Under an anonymous name !

Nah, Tasman Man, not Billy Shakes:

"First they came ..." is the poetic form of a post-war confessional prose by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984). It is about the cowardice of German intellectuals and certain clergy—including, by his own admission, Niemöller himself—following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent incremental purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt, repentance, and personal responsibility.

[Trump 2,741]

4 hours ago, eljay said:

One of your most amazing posts yet.         If he was an Eskimo I would have said that.       Never did I say he should not be picked for the job - stop letting your imagination run wild otherwise you may get impeached 

Then what was the point of your post? 

[eljay 1,720]

The original post in this thread asked the background of the candidates as to their suitability.     Surely being a stipe is relevant?

[Leggy 4,089]

7 hours ago, eljay said:

The original post in this thread asked the background of the candidates as to their suitability.     Surely being a stipe is relevant?

How so? Not quite sure of the relevance of being  a stipe to governance of the industry. Has some other more relevant strengths and capabilities that are appropriate and useful though. Could sort a  lot of shit out in the next few months with MIA et al. out of the way.

[eljay 1,720]

Surely Leggy, being an ex stipe indicates he has a background in racing and as such should know about the industry.    I never said he should or should not be appointed.    It was just an observation.   You can twist & turn & twirl these words to whatever you wish but be warned - I will not respond!!

[Trump 2,741]

I doubt that having “experience as a Stipe” is of any serious use being a Board Member. There are far better (more useful) credentials needed at this time. A top class “Leader” is the first need. But I get your point Eljay. 
There’s a lot of underpaid people involved in the racing industry and the only way they can be adequately looked after is increased income and returns. Love can only go so far. The TAB income and distribution is paramount to having a successful Racing Industry. That’s why Australian Racing is growing as an Industry. The deals done by embracing the more innovative Betting Companies is returning big dividends. Plus, State Govts are starting to play ball and realise a thriving racing Industry is an essential part of their respective economies. A bit off subject I know but it’s all part of the equation.