Cooper 115 Report post Posted February 20, 2021 Couldn’t help but feeling sad watching Aalaalune going around again today at Ellerslie . Sure isn’t the same horse since it left Jacob McKays. I wish they would give it back to him to train where he gave it the TLC it obviously loved. Some horses just don’t like being in big training establishments. Pegasus 9, Gruff, Ragamuffin and 6 others 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,874 Report post Posted February 20, 2021 Probably too late is my opinion. 🥲 Baz (NZ), weasel57 and Pam Robson 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampfox 94 Report post Posted February 20, 2021 rogey said it was going to be extra good Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted February 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, Cooper said: Couldn’t help but feeling sad watching Aalaalune going around again today at Ellerslie . Sure isn’t the same horse since it left Jacob McKays. I wish they would give it back to him to train where he gave it the TLC it obviously loved. Some horses just don’t like being in big training establishments. 1 minute ago, swampfox said: rogey said it was going to be extra good wouldnt be many mares that have to lump 58kgs just about every start since the placing outside of black type she should stick to left handed seems to be better suited that way her day will come jacob would still have the same prob with her carring the big wieghts its just the beast we have to put up with but mark my words run two starts back was near her best and she be back in winner circle left handed very soon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingshill 230 Report post Posted February 20, 2021 14 hours ago, swampfox said: rogey said it was going to be extra good Yawn.......How many times I heard that the last 20 years........You know you know Ragamuffin, Baz (NZ), swampfox and 1 other 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 Aalaalune's run was certainly a head scratcher yesterday? Opie Bosson was on too and he can normally get a rocking horse up to place. I agree with your opinion the owners should never have taken the horse off Jacob McKay. The horse seemed happy and was producing the results in that stable. That decision was a head scratcher in it's self. Not to mention the owners decision to take on the older horses on at GR.1 as 3yo in the early spring Oh well...damage is probably done now. As I've said before owners should let trainer's train without interference. gubellini and swampfox 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis3 1,222 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 Rogie seems to be past it. He did spend a lot of money at the yearling sales just gone tho. Maybe he is buying the wrong ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,420 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Memphis3 said: Rogie seems to be past it. He did spend a lot of money at the yearling sales just gone tho. Maybe he is buying the wrong ones. You might have to give his recent yearling purchases a little more time.... Baz (NZ) and Gruff 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 Cooper you are spot on. Jacob did very well with her. Sad to see her racing so far below her potential at the moment. Ragamuffin and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis3 1,222 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 2 hours ago, shaneMcAlister said: You might have to give his recent yearling purchases a little more time.... The vendors would have been happy Rogie was bidding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,874 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Memphis3 said: The vendors would have been happy Rogie was bidding Whilst the money is vital, more important in my mind when selling is; Who has bought it and where will it race and who will train it? As a breeder you have to take the good with the bad but hope for the best. The price in the sale ring is only part of the equation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 i not sure even jacob would change her look shes better left handed and the fact that she carries 58 in 65 races shows she will struggle how many rating 65 mares race 58kgs are there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,080 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 Despite her placing in the big one, with one win and six minors from 25 starts she's really no different from a thousand other horses of similar ability who bob up occasionally just enough to keep their owners interested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiDeBo Racing 83 Report post Posted February 21, 2021 Had real ability but always thought that they broke her heart starting her in the Tarzino. Similar scenario to Baldavino. Looked to have any amount of ability aswell but never seemed to come back after being thrown in the deep end. Baz (NZ) and gubellini 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 On 2/20/2021 at 8:24 PM, mr_gee said: wouldnt be many mares that have to lump 58kgs just about every start since the placing outside of black type she should stick to left handed seems to be better suited that way her day will come jacob would still have the same prob with her carring the big wieghts its just the beast we have to put up with but mark my words run two starts back was near her best and she be back in winner circle left handed very soon In reality NZ racing is really set-up for fillies with the weigh allowance they get. If placed right they can avoid it. I thought it was going to be her year as a 3yo until her heart was broken in the Tarzino. She is now battling round in Rating 65 company when I thought she could have been a group winning mare by now. I remember her well as a 2yo especially when running home the last 600m as fast as Probabeel in a Karaka Million. No comparison between these two mares now. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Baz (NZ) said: In reality NZ racing is really set-up for fillies with the weigh allowance they get. If placed right they can avoid it. I thought it was going to be her year as a 3yo until her heart was broken in the Tarzino. She is now battling round in Rating 65 company when I thought she could have been a group winning mare by now. I remember her well as a 2yo especially when running home the last 600m as fast as Probabeel in a Karaka Million. No comparison between these two mares now. not sure you can place her right in 65 grade , she will allways get big weight because that placing and personally may still carry wieght in higher grades bar black type ' no amount of placement will change that hence y so many go to aussie so they better placed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 i have a feeling back left handed she win a few more shes not been to far away from win that way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 Baz and mr gee I totally agree with you that Aalaalune should have stayed with Jacob McKay. Baz the decision to take her away from Jacob is not really a head scratcher. Google Lou Gates Tauranga and yo Ragamuffin 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 you may have your answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 10 hours ago, gubellini said: Baz and mr gee I totally agree with you that Aalaalune should have stayed with Jacob McKay. Baz the decision to take her away from Jacob is not really a head scratcher. Google Lou Gates Tauranga and yo never said she should stayed , i don't think even jacob could of got her past where she is at the moment looking at her left handed form i say you see a win soon gubellini 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel57 429 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 Anyone with half a racing brain can see that Aalalune has been poorly placed and over-raced ever since she surprised everyone by placing in a Grp 1 as a 2yo. Rogie had dollar signs coming out of his eyes and the horse got wrecked as a result of impatience to get more black type and 3yo glory....but why so early in the Spring? Beaten in a maiden sprint at Ruakaka, straight into the Tarzino early Spring with a horse whose racing style screamed for more ground and wetter tracks and just a bit of time to grow into herself. She is a shadow of what she might have been if they'd just waited for the autumn of her 3yo season. Even now, reckon she'd go alright in Victoria over 2000m+ in the autumn/winter starting with country tracks and maybe a Patrick Payne-type of trainer/ Class is permanent -she's got a motor annd a heart - but the change of handling and environment is what's required, if it aint too late. Just my opinion. Kingshill, Gruff, Baz (NZ) and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 ..Bit like Bob Jones taking Parker along slowly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 9 hours ago, weasel57 said: Anyone with half a racing brain can see that Aalalune has been poorly placed and over-raced ever since she surprised everyone by placing in a Grp 1 as a 2yo. Rogie had dollar signs coming out of his eyes and the horse got wrecked as a result of impatience to get more black type and 3yo glory....but why so early in the Spring? Beaten in a maiden sprint at Ruakaka, straight into the Tarzino early Spring with a horse whose racing style screamed for more ground and wetter tracks and just a bit of time to grow into herself. She is a shadow of what she might have been if they'd just waited for the autumn of her 3yo season. Even now, reckon she'd go alright in Victoria over 2000m+ in the autumn/winter starting with country tracks and maybe a Patrick Payne-type of trainer/ Class is permanent -she's got a motor annd a heart - but the change of handling and environment is what's required, if it aint too late. Just my opinion. like a guy said to me at the trots the other day she was poorly placed at jacobs too yes he is a young trainer but horse needed time not thrown in to deep end like a lot do she was stuffed before she got to rogies that run at rukaka showed was poorly placed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, mr_gee said: like a guy said to me at the trots the other day she was poorly placed at jacobs too yes he is a young trainer but horse needed time not thrown in to deep end like a lot do she was stuffed before she got to rogies that run at rukaka showed was poorly placed When owners dictate to trainers they sometimes have no choice. I imagine the Ruakaka race was a fresh up run to get her ready for her 3yo campaign against her own age group. I'm guessing the Tarzino was the straw that broke the camel's back? Hence Aalaalune was removed from the Jacob McKay stable? Anyway at the end of the day...it's the owners perogative to do what they want and they did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, Baz (NZ) said: When owners dictate to trainers they sometimes have no choice. I imagine the Ruakaka race was a fresh up run to get her ready for her 3yo campaign against her own age group. I'm guessing the Tarzino was the straw that broke the camel's back? Hence Aalaalune was removed from the Jacob McKay stable? Anyway at the end of the day...it's the owners perogative to do what they want and they did. yup hence i say jacob wouldnt changed her ability now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...