shaneMcAlister 1,425 Report post Posted February 4, 2021 Polzeath rated 80 carries 57kg and Concert Hall rated 104 carries 56kg. There is 11kg difference in their rating, surely Polzeath or Fiscal Fantasy (rated 99 carrying 55kg) are thrown in at the weights in a race like this?? For the avoidance of doubt I do realise this race is set weights and penalties. However Polzeath has won 1 x Group 2 in last 18 months, where as Concert Hall has won 1 x Group 1, 1 x Group 2 and 2 x Group 3. Hence the 22 points ratings difference. Gruff and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted February 4, 2021 Great spot, these SWP races are increasingly becoming a massive embarrassment to the sport in this country. Gruff, puha, shaneMcAlister and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,868 Report post Posted February 4, 2021 Its a mess. Its a pity there is no racing media anymore to point out some of the anomalies. Some of the group and listed ratings are a total embarrassment. Unfortunately, many of these set weights and WFA races have been introduced to help these races to retain their group status. I can't think of a single case where it has worked; The Telegraph and Thorndon a couple of examples where I am sure turnovers have plummeted because of the mucking around. shaneMcAlister, dock leaf, Huey and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,425 Report post Posted February 4, 2021 Here is the calculation: Polzeath and Concert Hall start on 55kg. Polzeath gets 2kg for Group 2 win goes to 57kg, Concert Hall 3kg for Group 1 and then takes off mare allowance 2kg. So runs off 56kg. These races are crazy. Huey, Pam Robson, Gruff and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted February 4, 2021 16 hours ago, shaneMcAlister said: Here is the calculation: Polzeath and Concert Hall start on 55kg. Polzeath gets 2kg for Group 2 win goes to 57kg, Concert Hall 3kg for Group 1 and then takes off mare allowance 2kg. So runs off 56kg. These races are crazy. My understanding Shane is set weights 55kgs for males and 53kgs for females for the race. So if they hadn't had penalties added for those group wins that's what they would have carried. Polzeath goes up 2kgs for the G2 win so carries 57kgs and Concert Hall up 3kgs for the G1 win to 56kg Cheers JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,425 Report post Posted February 4, 2021 Hi Ted Same formula as mine, you just take your 2kg mare allowance off at start. Where I took mine off at the end. Cheers Kloppite 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattski 176 Report post Posted February 8, 2021 Shane - You are totally correct and I thought the same thing when I saw the weights. Almost as crazy in the Thorndon where The Mitigator had 1kg more than Melody Belle who has now won as many G1's as Sunline!! (I realise The Mitigator really had 1kg less taking into account the mares allowance but still crazy) shaneMcAlister and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted February 8, 2021 For the Thornden , IMHO a Group 1 should be WFA , but if it's a handicap make it a handicap if not WFA. Why have a bob each way with SWP . Kind of something and nothing . Baz (NZ), shaneMcAlister and Pam Robson 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted February 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Red Rum said: For the Thornden , IMHO a Group 1 should be WFA , but if it's a handicap make it a handicap if not WFA. Why have a bob each way with SWP . Kind of something and nothing . Agree , these SWP races are really just gifting the races to the superior horse in the weirdest way possible i.e. getting weight off inferior animals. At least WFA makes sense. Pam Robson, Red Rum and Baz (NZ) 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloppite 317 Report post Posted February 9, 2021 On 2/5/2021 at 12:07 PM, rdytdy said: My understanding Shane is set weights 55kgs for males and 53kgs for females for the race. So if they hadn't had penalties added for those group wins that's what they would have carried. Polzeath goes up 2kgs for the G2 win so carries 57kgs and Concert Hall up 3kgs for the G1 win to 56kg Good thing you clarified that. I would never have understood Shane's explanation of Concert Hall's weight, ie. 55 + 3 - 2 = 56 Your 55 - 2 + 3 = 56 really clears things up - genius! Littletramp, Pam Robson, soliloquy and 2 others 1 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloppite 317 Report post Posted February 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Red Rum said: Why have a bob each way with SWP . Kind of something and nothing . Bit like the name of that guy who played for and later coached the NZ cricket team - Cunis - neither one thing nor the other! fermoy, Red Rum and Aaron Bidlake 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermoy 226 Report post Posted February 10, 2021 On 2/9/2021 at 9:56 PM, Kloppite said: Bit like the name of that guy who played for and later coached the NZ cricket team - Cunis - neither one thing nor the other! haha beautiful,,,,but do I detect some PENT up frustration there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted February 10, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 5:58 PM, Huey said: Great spot, these SWP races are increasingly becoming a massive embarrassment to the sport in this country. Seems to be suiting people with the good mares .Wouldn’t help with the resulting foals by any chance . Patiti and Huey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...