We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted December 30, 2020 What on earth happened to Tradition at Kurow? I only saw the one Kurow race today and Tradition clearly beat the hot pot. I just checked the results for the day and the placings have changed. What brought that about? Obviously not the same stipes as the Zabeel classic. Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted December 30, 2020 Relegated for taking line on second horse, was a close finish, only nose in it, personally I thought it was a tough call, tradition had a tough run and won well, that's racing i guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE TORCH 657 Report post Posted December 30, 2020 I too was shocked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 Very strange decision. Where was the interference? Tradition certainly did not cross Watchmaker's line and I don't see any contact or jostling occuring. In fact, Warchmaker also drifted out away from Tradition. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 Just another BS decision Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 I never knew that dictaing another horse's line if that horse moves away and no contact is made amounted to interference. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneasy 497 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 READ THE STIPES REPORT No interference Thats why Cuneen got 4 days!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, uneasy said: READ THE STIPES REPORT No interference Thats why Cuneen got 4 days!!! Does not mean they are right tho Shad 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, uneasy said: READ THE STIPES REPORT No interference Thats why Cuneen got 4 days!!! I've read it of course. Doesn't mention interference. Read it yourself. It says he dictated Watchmaker over extra ground, not that he caused interference as defined in 642 (2) (b). Where exactly is the interference? Show me. Watchmaker moved away as far as I can see though the steward's vision aint there yet but it's not there for the Otaki meeting on the 18th either, just a message saying it may take 3 or 4 days. It's the incompetence we are up against I'm afraid despite today's technology. R Cuneen(TRADITION) –Admitted a subsequent charge of careless riding in that he permitted his mount TRADITION, to shift outwards over the final 100 metres hampering WATCHMAKER which was dictated over extra ground. After hearing submissions the Judicial Committeesuspended R Cuneen’s licence to ride in races from the conclusion of racing on 3rdJanuary 2021until the conclusion of racing on 10thJanuary 2021 (4 days) and imposed a fine of $250. He got 4 days for careless riding. Not for causing interference which they claim he did in the placing reversal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 interference is defined as: (i) a horse crossing another horse without being at least its own length and one other clear length in front of such other horse at the time of crossing; (ii) a horse jostling with another horse, unless it is proved that such jostling was caused by the fault of some other horse or Rider or that the horse or Rider jostled with was partly at fault; or (iii) a horse itself, or its Rider, in any way interfering with another horse or the Rider of another horse in a Race, unless it is proved that such interference was caused by the fault of some other horse or Rider or that the horse or Rider interfered with was partly at fault. So they are now defining interference as shifting out with no contact but the other horse drifting away/out as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 Tradition clearly altered the momentum of Watchmaker by forcing it to run wide down the straight. Have you ever raced someone and dictated their line as they were coming behind you? Makes it tough for them to get past. This is exactly why the result was changed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 Leggy. Are you advising the jockey on Watchmaker to not be aware of the horse on his inside? A bad jockey would have let his horse run straight and get smashed, but he was forced to let it drift with Tradition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 55 minutes ago, NextPlease said: Tradition clearly altered the momentum of Watchmaker by forcing it to run wide down the straight. Have you ever raced someone and dictated their line as they were coming behind you? Makes it tough for them to get past. This is exactly why the result was changed. Under what rule? If I'm a length clear I can go where I like though that has nothing to do with what happened here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 57 minutes ago, NextPlease said: Leggy. Are you advising the jockey on Watchmaker to not be aware of the horse on his inside? A bad jockey would have let his horse run straight and get smashed, but he was forced to let it drift with Tradition. Exactly. He was entitled to hold his line or go wherever he liked provided he didn't interfere with another horse. If he chose to move out whether that be to avoid contact from the other horse or in search of better ground or whatever, that's his choice. Of course if they are going to interpret that movement as resulting from non-contact interference then you might have to advise differently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 It was clear, to me, that Watchmaker moved out because it was being forced without contact. If you see a horse moving out on you, it's only natural to avoid contact and drift with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 All I can say is that I watched one race from Kurow, saw Tradition reasonably easily win that race and got a hell of a shock when I saw the race results the next day, and on Boxing day I watched the Zabeel race, saw what I thought was significant interference and was quite staggered when no one else seemed to notice anything. I suppose a decent head on video might show something different, but my impression is that there is no real consistency in such decisions. Shad, Pam Robson and napier 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike28 182 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 agendas and clicks must come into play the one at the zabeel classic was way worse Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 The difference with the Zabeel Classic is that Rock on Wood wasn't entitled to that run. Watchmaker was entitled to its line on the outside of Tradition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted December 31, 2020 6 hours ago, NextPlease said: The difference with the Zabeel Classic is that Rock on Wood wasn't entitled to that run. Watchmaker was entitled to its line on the outside of Tradition. aggree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike28 182 Report post Posted January 1, 2021 finally got his ban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, mike28 said: finally got his ban was allways going happen nz best jockey is just a marketing ploy lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...