berzerk 107 Report post Posted December 27, 2020 Just looking at the replay. Enquiry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, berzerk said: Just looking at the replay. Enquiry? I presume you mean Rock on Wood getting chopped out by the 3rd horse. Hardly got a mention, certainly no one on here noticed it. I was surprised there wasn't an enquiry, certainly looked bad side on, but I haven't seen the head on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,095 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 3 hours ago, berzerk said: Just looking at the replay. Enquiry? Opie 'advised' of his obligation etc, etc. Looked at least like grounds for a protest to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I presume you mean Rock on Wood getting chopped out by the 3rd horse. Hardly got a mention, certainly no one on here noticed it. I was surprised there wasn't an enquiry, certainly looked bad side on, but I haven't seen the head on. I don’t think there was room to go through and if there’s a small chance there was, then the gap wasn’t taken soon enough and it closed. That’s the problem when making inside runs - often the outside finishers prevail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlahan's Dream 535 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 Funny you mention that. I had a decent place wager on Twinkling, and held my breath for a minute or three, but by my reckoning he shifts the horse in (OP) before the 4th runner has poked up inside him. So, I guess, no inquiry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Trump said: I don’t think there was room to go through The gap was massive! until Bosson decided to head for the rail at speed! CWJ would have copped 6 weeks, but there will always be a protected species in the horse industry. JMO. Insider, We're Doomed, Pam Robson and 2 others 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, chevy86 said: The gap was massive! until Bosson decided to head for the rail at speed! CWJ would have copped 6 weeks, but there will always be a protected species in the horse industry. JMO. I tend to agree. I certainly was surprised there wasn't an enquiry. Surprised the connections of the 4th horse didn't protest, it was a group 1 after all. mike28 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlahan's Dream 535 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I tend to agree. I certainly was surprised there wasn't an enquiry. Surprised the connections of the 4th horse didn't protest, it was a group 1 after all. I wasn't. Poor ride for mine. Four back on the fence over 10f, in a group one which always lacks pace. Asking for trouble. Baz (NZ), We're Doomed and JTeaz 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, Houlahan's Dream said: I wasn't. Poor ride for mine. Four back on the fence over 10f, in a group one which always lacks pace. Asking for trouble. I certainly don't disagree with that. You could see what was unfolding quite a way out. Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike28 182 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 was a poor ride on rock n wood didnt back it that time but have backed it many times before when it has been unlucky if you do the same thing you will get the same unlucky result. I do agree if it was a different jockey on in a twinkling the punishment would be way more severe lets not kid ourselves there. Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 Then the Jockey (Elliot) is at fault. If it’s that obvious, why did he not protest? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,095 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 12 hours ago, chevy86 said: The gap was massive! until Bosson decided to head for the rail at speed! CWJ would have copped 6 weeks, but there will always be a protected species in the horse industry. JMO. Agreed Chevy. Is OP not obliged to keep his horse on a straight line? Head on shows he let it drift in. Apparently not. I didn't have a bet but was a little surprised there wasn't a question asked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,878 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Trump said: Then the Jockey (Elliot) is at fault. If it’s that obvious, why did he not protest? I agree Trump if it was as bad as the ones on here were saying then Elloitt would have surely protested...after all he was riding the so called horse that was so called interfered with...JMHO. Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berzerk 107 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 For the sanctity of due process there should have been an inquiry. There is little doubt Rock On Wood would have run 3rd, and the only question is whether he had established the run. There is also little doubt that OP is not sufficiently clear when shifting ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,878 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, berzerk said: For the sanctity of due process there should have been an inquiry. There is little doubt Rock On Wood would have run 3rd, and the only question is whether he had established the run. There is also little doubt that OP is not sufficiently clear when shifting ground. Who said he should have run third the jockey didn't seem to think so or he would have protested...how do you know more than the guy riding it???Just curious. Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlahan's Dream 535 Report post Posted December 28, 2020 50 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Who said he should have run third the jockey didn't seem to think so or he would have protested...how do you know more than the guy riding it???Just curious. My view having rewatched. Bosson does NOT check behind him, but he pulls the horse back half a width towards the rail, to cover anyone sneaking up the inside. And they is why he is the champ. It's ..competitive riding, shall we say. swampfox and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckenzie 607 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 15 hours ago, mike28 said: was a poor ride on rock n wood didnt back it that time but have backed it many times before when it has been unlucky if you do the same thing you will get the same unlucky result. Yeah was unlucky in the Thorndon, Herbie Dyke and Zabeel Classic. The day he won in the Captain Cook he sat 3 wide. He's the best horse in these races, ride him like it and give him clear air. Frustrating to see a good horse keep getting beaten because of pilot misjudgement. Patiti and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 Imho, if you ran 10 races and in all of them a jockey placed his horse on the rails about 5 pairs back, then in at least 50% of the time, the horse will be blocked for a run at a crucial time and lessen its chances to win. If you watch JMac ride, he predominately has his horses at least one of the fence before the turn and even wider. This gives him the opportunity to allow his horses to have a uninterrupted run in the straight. Riding in the UK teaches you that. K McEvoy another one. Littletramp 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 56 minutes ago, Trump said: Imho, if you ran 10 races and in all of them a jockey placed his horse on the rails about 5 pairs back, then in at least 50% of the time, the horse will be blocked for a run at a crucial time and lessen its chances to win. If you watch JMac ride, he predominately has his horses at least one of the fence before the turn and even wider. This gives him the opportunity to allow his horses to have a uninterrupted run in the straight. Riding in the UK teaches you that. K McEvoy another one. SOMEONE has to be on the rails in the first 80% of a race. Maybe you need to look at the real culprit, Bosson. There was a perfect passage for Elliot until he was denied and why there was no protest I do not know. I was of the belief that" crossing" to the fence is Ok when clear on the first lap but jockeys must maintain a straight line in the last 100-200 metres. Silly me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,878 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, chevy86 said: SOMEONE has to be on the rails in the first 80% of a race. Maybe you need to look at the real culprit, Bosson. There was a perfect passage for Elliot until he was denied and why there was no protest I do not know. I was of the belief that" crossing" to the fence is Ok when clear on the first lap but jockeys must maintain a straight line in the last 100-200 metres. Silly me. IF Opie did cross over as you seem to suggest then why did Elliot not protest for sure it would have had to be upheld...I think there was no substantial interference and that is why he did not nor the stewards lodge any form of protest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: why did Elliot not protest because the gap was going better than his horse? Trump 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 Exactly. Elliot was obviously of the opinion that he wasn’t in the gap or that it made no difference. All this talk of OP being a protected species etc is just rubbish. Give Elliot some credit. It’s not as though he’s a learner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 2 hours ago, scooby3051 said: IF Opie did cross over as you seem to suggest then why did Elliot not protest for sure it would have had to be upheld...I think there was no substantial interference and that is why he did not nor the stewards lodge any form of protest. If Bosson was squeaky clean then why the "advice" from the stewards to him? At least if the FAVOURITE in a race in Oz broached suddenly as R.O.W did then the stewards I believe would have had a decent look at it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,402 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 Bosson shifted his line when insufficiently clear. QED Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted December 29, 2020 53 minutes ago, Nerula said: Bosson shifted his line when insufficiently clear. QED Quite agree but it didn't affect the result. Pam Robson and scooby3051 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...