army 156 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, mikenz said: Once I commented that for some strange reason the galloping guys seem to scratch a lot of the time and got one or two comments that slagged me off,but the harness guys just turn up if you get a bad draw or whatever,its just part of it,it seems the gallops trainers in the south just race despite the conditions,maybe that's because they dont race as much,so just get on with it. If I remember rightly in Harness if you scratch you cant race for 2 weeks. That is how it use to be nit sure it is the same now. Someone might know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, mikenz said: Maybe they are short of water. Plenty in their heads! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,097 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, army said: If I remember rightly in Harness if you scratch you cant race for 2 weeks. That is how it use to be nit sure it is the same now. Someone might know Theoretically Army. No penalty if you have a vet cert. Notwithstanding, why are galloping people complaining about the industry when they aren't prepared to line up? And are we going to see a heap of scratchings at Ellerslie next week because the ground is too good for hurdlers and 'chasers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winx21 70 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Theoretically Army. No penalty if you have a vet cert. Notwithstanding, why are galloping people complaining about the industry when they aren't prepared to line up? And are we going to see a heap of scratchings at Ellerslie next week because the ground is too good for hurdlers and 'chasers? Who wants to line up on a good 2 in October and jar there horses up?? Have you not owned a horse before? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus 429 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, army said: They are not allowed to because of low water levels in Auckland. Elleslie is the same they cant water tracks are the onion and potato growers allowed to water their land? Surely irrigatio of a racetrack when necessary should be OK ...sue the Council for unfair restraint of trade! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,097 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 54 minutes ago, winx21 said: Theoretically Army. No penalty if you have a vet cert. Notwithstanding, why are galloping people complaining about the industry when they aren't prepared to line up? And are we going to see a heap of scratchings at Ellerslie next week because the ground is too good for hurdlers and 'chasers? Who wants to line up on a good 2 in October and jar there horses up?? Have you not owned a horse before? Raced horses even before the days of irrigation Winx and when summer tracks were rated hard and fast and there were certainly no more broken down horses then than there are now. Baz (NZ), arjay and 47South 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
army 156 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Blue said: Theoretically Army. No penalty if you have a vet cert. Notwithstanding, why are galloping people complaining about the industry when they aren't prepared to line up? And are we going to see a heap of scratchings at Ellerslie next week because the ground is too good for hurdlers and 'chasers? Ok no penalty if you have vet cert but what say you just scratch or does everyone do deals with vets to get a cert Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenz 1,088 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 I would very much doubt any vet would do any deal if he or she were of any integrity.it just wouldn't happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
napier 339 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Main problem is Course Managers/Caretakers are not allowed to do their jobs properly due to the suits in ties telling them how to do their job. Track good 2.....rain forecast....and they are not allowed to apply water in something like 48 hours prior to race day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenz 1,088 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, napier said: Main problem is Course Managers/Caretakers are not allowed to do their jobs properly due to the suits in ties telling them how to do their job. Track good 2.....rain forecast....and they are not allowed to apply water in something like 48 hours prior to race day. I have a weather app on my phone and it's just about right on the nail most times,so not being prepared properly is just bad management really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Blossom Lady said: They should have watered the track yesterday and it would never have got to a Good 2 , absolute disgrace !! Close the arsehole down and line the left leaning officials up against a wall and shoot them with a ball of their own shit ! The place is a dump......... Wanker arjay 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Simple fact was they should just waited 30 min, because 5 mins after the light shower, the sun was out and the remainder of the day was clear. Fkn poncy jocks like owen and dick head williamson and the day is over ... Does no one remember when the jockeys did this continually in the old days (90s) ... fkn pussies. I don't care if you have rush back to Mata to score or go to a party, you little people are EMPLOYED to ride horses ALL day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 I can't agree with Archer's sentiments. In most sports, if the conditions are deemed unsafe, they will get postponed or cancelled. That's not including the extreme dangers of riding a horse. What happens if they head back out on the track and a horse slips? They knew the danger was there, but they did it anyway. Life is not worth risking because of your attitude. The problem is the Good 2 track, not the jockeys wanting to abandon the meeting - their hand was already dealt. Red Rum, MichaJ, Pam Robson and 3 others 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 14 hours ago, Blue said: Theoretically Army. No penalty if you have a vet cert. Notwithstanding, why are galloping people complaining about the industry when they aren't prepared to line up? And are we going to see a heap of scratchings at Ellerslie next week because the ground is too good for hurdlers and 'chasers? Apparently Ellerslie have their own pond/spring so watering there is never a problem ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Archer said: Wanker My apologies , I didn't realize that you were one of the officials ? Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 16 hours ago, army said: They are not allowed to because of low water levels in Auckland. Elleslie is the same they cant water tracks Ellerslie irrigate whenever they want to , they have their own spring/pond ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenz 1,088 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Watering of the track is one thing that's not a problem in Southland Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenz 1,088 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/7/2020 at 9:53 AM, tasman man 11 said: Kinda obvious that level of scratchings due to wide barrier draws. Several 1200m races and connections just not prepared to start at wider than about barrier 9. Avondale usually serves up a nice surface , but there has been serious water restrictions in city recently. And not much spring rain. If you look at the scratchings for woodville I notice all wide barrier draw,I just wonder though if once they are scratched they are given a barrier draw outside the limit of 14 15 or whatever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenz 1,088 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 And there are some of the early scratchings at Washdyke that have same draw numbers as others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, NextPlease said: I can't agree with Archer's sentiments. In most sports, if the conditions are deemed unsafe, they will get postponed or cancelled. That's not including the extreme dangers of riding a horse. What happens if they head back out on the track and a horse slips? They knew the danger was there, but they did it anyway. Life is not worth risking because of your attitude. The problem is the Good 2 track, not the jockeys wanting to abandon the meeting - their hand was already dealt. Indeed, but what I was alluding too, was the fact that 5 mins of light rain would hardly do anything to the track and if they waited 30 min the meeting could have been completed. I know, for some watching trackside it looked ominous over the ranges, but it was f all. scoobysnacks 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,097 Report post Posted October 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Archer said: Simple fact was they should just waited 30 min, because 5 mins after the light shower, the sun was out and the remainder of the day was clear. Fkn poncy jocks like owen and dick head williamson and the day is over ... Does no one remember when the jockeys did this continually in the old days (90s) ... fkn pussies. I don't care if you have rush back to Mata to score or go to a party, you little people are EMPLOYED to ride horses ALL day. Largely agree. There is still such a thing, despite riding to win, as riding conservatively. Current riding style doesn't help in this situation either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,077 Report post Posted October 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Blossom Lady said: Ellerslie irrigate whenever they want to , they have their own spring/pond ? Who is exempt from restrictions? The restrictions do not apply to businesses operating in the rural townships of Waiuku, Helensville, Bombay, Murawai, Snells Algies, Wellsford and Warkworth because they have local water sources. The restrictions do not apply if you are using non-potable/untreated water and are therefore not connected to the metropolitan supply network. What are the restrictions for commercial water users? Commercial water users cannot: Connect a hose or water blasting device to the metropolitan supply network unless it is for health, safety, emergency or biosecurity reasons Operate a car wash unless it uses recycled water Water sports fields, plants or paddocks unless they have an irrigation system that is fitted with soil moisture or rain sensors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,077 Report post Posted October 8, 2020 Surely Avondale have unpotable water from a bore or something and use rain or soil moisture sensors? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winx21 70 Report post Posted October 8, 2020 Raced horses even before the days of irrigation Winx and when summer tracks were rated hard and fast and there were certainly no more broken down horses then than there are now. Must of been a long time ago.... horses these days are not bred the same and also rules regarding drug use are obviously very different. ridiculous comparing horses donkeys years ago to the ones running around now Huey and Gruff 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,798 Report post Posted October 8, 2020 19 hours ago, Leggy said: Surely Avondale have unpotable water from a bore or something and use rain or soil moisture sensors? They use to recycle water from the public stand but with an average 6 bums in seats last 20 meetings thats translated to two dozen blades of grass and a few floaters at the 600 MichaJ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...