We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 Interesting to compare today's Ellerslie meeting with yesterday's Ascot Park meeting. Firm track at Ellerslie and 40 horses that were assured a start scratched. Yesterday at Ascot Park, Heavy track and 3 scratchings out of the fields. Surely that many scratchings on a perfect track would indicate that there are plenty of racing opportunities in the north and trainers pick and choose, whereas down south there are so few opportunities that trainers have to start regardless of track conditions. That does seem to indicate that the balance of race licences still isn't quite right between the two islands. Six horses that were safely in a maiden field scratched at Ellerslie and five horses scratched out of a rating 65. That would never happen in the south. There doesn't seem to be any effort to optimise field sizes, whereas all the research seems to indicate that bigger fields generate more betting. dock leaf, Huey, Insider and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,425 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 Rail out 9 metres too, this impacts decisions ADM 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 4 hours ago, shaneMcAlister said: Rail out 9 metres too, this impacts decisions That doesn't matter , didn't you listen to the Stipe there this morning, he said the rail has no impact and they can win from anywhere. ;0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenz 1,088 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 4 hours ago, We're Doomed said: Interesting to compare today's Ellerslie meeting with yesterday's Ascot Park meeting. Firm track at Ellerslie and 40 horses that were assured a start scratched. Yesterday at Ascot Park, Heavy track and 3 scratchings out of the fields. Surely that many scratchings on a perfect track would indicate that there are plenty of racing opportunities in the north and trainers pick and choose, whereas down south there are so few opportunities that trainers have to start regardless of track conditions. That does seem to indicate that the balance of race licences still isn't quite right between the two islands. Six horses that were safely in a maiden field scratched at Ellerslie and five horses scratched out of a rating 65. That would never happen in the south. There doesn't seem to be any effort to optimise field sizes, whereas all the research seems to indicate that bigger fields generate more betting. The south need more racing days,officials seem to keen to reduce,go figure. arjay and Chris Wood 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,947 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 42 minutes ago, Huey said: That doesn't matter , didn't you listen to the Stipe there this morning, he said the rail has no impact and they can win from anywhere. ;0 ridiculous Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,576 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 50 minutes ago, Huey said: That doesn't matter , didn't you listen to the Stipe there this morning, he said the rail has no impact and they can win from anywhere. ;0 Stipes are not always the best judges on tracks.... Insider, ADM and JJ Flash 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chris Wood said: Stipes are not always the best judges on tracks.... Couldn't agree more, but they should have some idea of the impact a shift in the rail will have on racing...surely..even in NZ. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob dobalino 25 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 most of them need someone to show them which foot to put shoes on Insider, Pam Robson, Huey and 2 others 1 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattski 176 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 Why did the rail need to be out 9m on a good 3 surface? What are we protecting the inside for? Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow 228 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 12 hours ago, Huey said: That doesn't matter , didn't you listen to the Stipe there this morning, he said the rail has no impact and they can win from anywhere. ;0 No bias there 5 winners led 3 others handy and one from behind. What was the most predominate factor? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 43 minutes ago, Crow said: What was the most predominate factor? Usually its ability Greg shaneMcAlister 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow 228 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Usually its ability Greg Correct if they good enough on any given day they can win Gruff and JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Crow said: No bias there 5 winners led 3 others handy and one from behind. What was the most predominate factor? Did I say anything about bias? Despite that youre living in a fantasy world if you don't think the rail out that much has an impact on a horses chances. possibly why so many scratched from the maiden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted September 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Mattski said: Why did the rail need to be out 9m on a good 3 surface? What are we protecting the inside for? I believe its being saved for MC day racing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted September 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Crow said: No bias there 5 winners led 3 others handy and one from behind. What was the most predominate factor? Look at Handbrake Camerons ride in the first, what a good ride some said yeah thats if you backed it, what about the poor rides? How often would you see a 53 second opening 800 on a firm track over 1400m ? Sub 33 600m now the rails out and you have 200m of arc before the turn and you need to make ground , if you have the 21 second horse bobs your uncle.... Biggest determining factor in Racing ..The Jockey... second the Track surface and its preperation . Mugs game Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
critter 6 Report post Posted September 27, 2020 Gruffy have you finally woken up. Australia is the place .Ellerslie was a fucking joke on saturday Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 8:10 PM, critter said: Gruffy have you finally woken up. Australia is the place .Ellerslie was a fucking joke on saturday What's your problem cry baby ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow 228 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 12:19 PM, Huey said: Did I say anything about bias? Despite that youre living in a fantasy world if you don't think the rail out that much has an impact on a horses chances. possibly why so many scratched from the maiden.wh Who said you did read again to try and understand I said no bias there but 5 leaders won and 3 from handy position so if you weren't handy you weren't in the hunt. Obviously all races are tempo related Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, Crow said: Who said you did read again to try and understand I said no bias there but 5 leaders won and 3 from handy position so if you weren't handy you weren't in the hunt. Obviously all races are tempo related Fair enough, right you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Crow said: Who said you did read again to try and understand I said no bias there but 5 leaders won and 3 from handy position so if you weren't handy you weren't in the hunt. Obviously all races are tempo related Tempo related? Or ability related? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 11:27 AM, Crow said: Correct if they good enough on any given day they can win You taking the piss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Blossom Lady said: What's your problem cry baby ??? After a bottle of gin Critter does get a little teary eyed Blossom but at least he knows his racing. You? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
critter 6 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 Gruffy get it right .Red wine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow 228 Report post Posted September 30, 2020 19 hours ago, Gruff said: You taking the piss Quite simply really as even on a bad day for back runners Super Strike was good enough to win impressively from behind so proves the point made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow 228 Report post Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 6:09 PM, Leggy said: Tempo related? Or ability related? Without going through them doing sectionals to collect that information to say which was tempo related as for ability related like all races they have to get pass the leader to have the ability to win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...