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Dropping turnovers

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Does anyone else reckon the reason turnover is dropping is because

1,average races,a lot of average meetings now

2 Domination of 1 stable

3 Overkill of races,only so much coin to go around and aussie gallops is probably where most interest lies.

4 No radio coverage,this one is underestimated.

 

After the racing resumed turnovers and fields stacked up pretty well but now that things are returning to normal smaller fields and overkill is probably creating a average day of racing.

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1 hour ago, mikenz said:

Does anyone else reckon the reason turnover is dropping is because

1,average races,a lot of average meetings now

2 Domination of 1 stable

3 Overkill of races,only so much coin to go around and aussie gallops is probably where most interest lies.

4 No radio coverage,this one is underestimated.

 

After the racing resumed turnovers and fields stacked up pretty well but now that things are returning to normal smaller fields and overkill is probably creating a average day of racing.

1. - Races can only be as good as the stock available.      Too many being exported means lowering of quality.    

2. - Yes, but only in the top class races.    But what can you do - the leading owners are always (mainly) going to be able afford the best bred and they send them to the stable with results.   Mr Joe Average can't afford the cost of such stock, or the cost of  racing them.

3. -  Overkill of racing of stock unknown to the enthusiast from areas most haven't heard of.    There are fans who don't care and will bet on anything and there are fans that only bet of what they know.    I really think the bean counters have to view the overall situation and decide whether losing audience through disinterest is of consequence or not.

4. - Radio simply compulsory.     In fact I would think it by far the main culprit in the downfall of the falling take.    I think most of the lost dollar is still being invested - Lotto testament to that.

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I did hear a rumour that radio was "returning".     Don't know which Christmas that is by but seriously let's hope it not a rumour and that it not far off.     If it was being re-instated you would imagine they would be aiming for cup time but the TAB's track record does not give you any real hope.

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2 hours ago, mikenz said:

Does anyone else reckon the reason turnover is dropping is because

1,average races,a lot of average meetings now

2 Domination of 1 stable

3 Overkill of races,only so much coin to go around and aussie gallops is probably where most interest lies.

4 No radio coverage,this one is underestimated.

 

After the racing resumed turnovers and fields stacked up pretty well but now that things are returning to normal smaller fields and overkill is probably creating a average day of racing.

The dropping turnovers is symptomatic of the failing of the TAB

1. No Radio

2.No free to air trackside

3.Restricting punters so they go elsewhere

4 No form guides

5 Phonebetting?

Full blame should go to those TAB managers who let the above happen.

All those 1 dollar mum dad punters add up and now they are gone. 

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1 hour ago, MisterEd said:

The dropping turnovers is symptomatic of the failing of the TAB

1. No Radio

2.No free to air trackside

3.Restricting punters so they go elsewhere

4 No form guides

5 Phonebetting?

Full blame should go to those TAB managers who let the above happen.

All those 1 dollar mum dad punters add up and now they are gone. 

All of the above, plus Winter fields traditionally not very inspiring and attractive to punters, and unfortunately at present "dullard" delivery from presenters sulking in studios--c'mon guys, do a bit of research to fill the gaps and at least pay attention to the replays so you can tell us who finished in the first four placings.

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18 minutes ago, chevy86 said:

All of the above, plus Winter fields traditionally not very inspiring and attractive to punters, and unfortunately at present "dullard" delivery from presenters sulking in studios--c'mon guys, do a bit of research to fill the gaps and at least pay attention to the replays so you can tell us who finished in the first four placings.

Be fair .to the presenters,they may not want to be there but one has to have a job.

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For those who are restricted have they tried to place a second bet after the first one is done,is it possible that the max bet is because by placing a bet at whatever figure enables them to balance the book,just a thought.

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2 hours ago, MisterEd said:

The dropping turnovers is symptomatic of the failing of the TAB

1. No Radio

2.No free to air trackside

3.Restricting punters so they go elsewhere

4 No form guides

5 Phonebetting?

Full blame should go to those TAB managers who let the above happen.

All those 1 dollar mum dad punters add up and now they are gone. 

It's not actually true that it ain't free to air,you can get coverage off websites but from a tv viewpoint well that's a little different.

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1 hour ago, mikenz said:

Be fair .to the presenters,they may not want to be there but one has to have a job.

At least they have a job, unlike many self-employed whose futures are bleak.If they "may not want to be there" then be professional or buggar off and stop sulking. Got to be one of the cushiest jobs around, just like cricket, rugby, league, golf presenters hanging out with their mates chewing the fat. On balance, is it even classifiable as a job?

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Think no radio would be one of the main factors.

Also might consider the less competative/strategic drives due to driver constricted to zones in the north during this lastest covid situation. Best drivers diluted per race.

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Lost interest in betting at Addington even before the Purdon team returned.

1980 metre Mobile Racing is so boring and predictable. Go throu the stats and leader, trailer, 3 back dominate. 

2600m races give more horses a chance.

As for Auckland small fields give you no reason to bet.

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2 hours ago, newbie85 said:

Lost interest in betting at Addington even before the Purdon team returned.

1980 metre Mobile Racing is so boring and predictable. Go throu the stats and leader, trailer, 3 back dominate. 

 

Not always if they go hard. Invaluable came from the back over 1980m last night and won. Great drive by Sarah O'Reilly.

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Just watching trackside,last race at Belmont has a win pool of 78 grand,some of those trotting races are only getting 5 or 6 grand,I just not sure though what races are commingled so maybe the trots ain't and the gallops are.

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My other half stopped betting on his TAB account when he couldn't get "registered". Our pc camera wasn't up to scratch and the 3 TAB outlets he went to couldn't do it. The silly thing was he was so pissed off by the time he got the 3rd rejection he withdrew most money he had in his account. No problem do that with same info needed for registering!

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On 8/29/2020 at 9:10 PM, mikenz said:

I started this thread based on the news that turnovers were dropping,maybe since racing resumed they could be better,know one knows ,I wish the figures were available somewhere.

They are to the codes but as they are commercially sensitive they are not immediately available to a wider audience. As you no longer bet why the interest??

 

Greg

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Just read a article about rugby and the fact that some guy reckons super rugby was meant to co exist with domestic rugby(npc)but has actually fucked it,too much,isn't nz horse racing kind of the same?

Too much creates a saturation point and interest can decline,well in many ways that's happening now.

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On 8/28/2020 at 7:39 PM, mikenz said:

For those who are restricted have they tried to place a second bet after the first one is done,is it possible that the max bet is because by placing a bet at whatever figure enables them to balance the book,just a thought.

For restricted punters they take a small shitty bet then drop the price if you want to bet again. 

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On 8/31/2020 at 7:35 AM, JJ Flash said:

They are to the codes but as they are commercially sensitive they are not immediately available to a wider audience. As you no longer bet why the interest??

 

Greg

I think most participants in racing are interested in what turnovers are doing. At, least annually, they have to be tabled in parliament in the form of audited accounts of TABNZ and by the codes in their reports to their member clubs. They have always been regularly available in the past. Not sure why they have suddenly become commercially sensitive in NZ? They are not regarded as such in most other racing countries are they?

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On 8/29/2020 at 9:20 PM, mikenz said:

Just watching trackside,last race at Belmont has a win pool of 78 grand,some of those trotting races are only getting 5 or 6 grand,I just not sure though what races are commingled so maybe the trots ain't and the gallops are.

What I dont know is was that 78grand bet on the nz tab or the majority on tabcorp,then you can see just how much is bet on gallops v trots,the other night the top class race at addington had a win pool of 13 grand at closing time.That is the tote,I'd say that fixed odds is at least 50 50

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