NZTR Race Subsidy

[Crow 229]

When will the normal racing system return to give those rating 72 and 82 horses their own opportunity to race within their own rating band instead of at the moment they are basically used to subsidize open class racing to keep the fields full. Obviously this is turnover related and not about horses future racing opportunities.  Now the jumping season has progressed and they have bend over backwards for them, Saturday racing therefore less opportunity for flat horses  for better money then you have 2 open jumping races with 10 runners or less in them and I bet if there was a 50k flat race around it would have no trouble filling up.  Makes you wonder the thinking behind this as it is hard for those rated horses to progress or to even find a program of races ahead that might suit.

[coxpl8 21]

Totally agree Crow!  They then split a rating 65 to a main race and a consolation race - when maybe split the field and prize money!  We have had a number of rating 60 odd horses running in Open Class just so they can get a run!  Then they get points deducted for running out of the money!  Now there are full fields again they need to bring back in the 82 and 72 rating races. If there are not enough open horses they need to look at their rating system.

 

[We're Doomed 4,866]

To be honest, this sort of thing has never been their strength, as I may have mentioned a couple of times in the past.

[Huey 2,037]

At the very least group the 72&82 grades together. 

But as WD sd it took them 4-5 years & a pandemic to listen to the advice about Free Racing! 

[nomates 3,608]

This is their attempt to control race numbers and the amount of stake money they have to spend . There are already 10/11/12 races on a lot of programmes , so if that start breaking up those open rating races back into their bands , as before , they could well end up with more races again , which would force them to add another race day to compensate for those added rating races . CD still has another 5 weeks before we see 2 meetings in a week . Nothing for mdn sprinters this week and if you want your horse to race next week well then you get the pleasure of travelling to New Plymouth on Friday .

There has been some really nice 2/3 win horses being forced to race against hardened open horses , last week Penelope Cruise was forced to race against horses like the winner Dolcetto , same this Saturday . It's hard for those inexperienced promising horses , sheer ability isn't always enough . But NZTR don't really care , they probably think they are doing a great job .

Still haven't got programmes or stakes out past 26th Sept , it's embarrassing how they treat industry participants with so little respect .

[Crow 229]

21 minutes ago, nomates said:

This is their attempt to control race numbers and the amount of stake money they have to spend . There are already 10/11/12 races on a lot of programmes , so if that start breaking up those open rating races back into their bands , as before , they could well end up with more races again , which would force them to add another race day to compensate for those added rating races . CD still has another 5 weeks before we see 2 meetings in a week . Nothing for mdn sprinters this week and if you want your horse to race next week well then you get the pleasure of travelling to New Plymouth on Friday .

There has been some really nice 2/3 win horses being forced to race against hardened open horses , last week Penelope Cruise was forced to race against horses like the winner Dolcetto , same this Saturday . It's hard for those inexperienced promising horses , sheer ability isn't always enough . But NZTR don't really care , they probably think they are doing a great job .

Still haven't got programmes or stakes out past 26th Sept , it's embarrassing how they treat industry participants with so little respect .

Will be nice racing at New Plymouth greyhound track with rail out 10m. 

[We're Doomed 4,866]

Everything will come right when we get the all weather tracks at Awapuni and Riccarton. The dawning of a bright new age of racing.

[Crow 229]

17 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

Everything will come right when we get the all weather tracks at Awapuni and Riccarton. The dawning of a bright new age of racing.

Will be a gloried training track honesty, will only suit horses that use it all the time ,can't see it doing anything to promote racing in NZ. But one thing is sure they love spending money they don't have,,

[nomates 3,608]

54 minutes ago, Crow said:

Will be a gloried training track honesty, will only suit horses that use it all the time ,can't see it doing anything to promote racing in NZ. But one thing is sure they love spending money they don't have,,

I stopped in at Awapuni 2 weeks back to watch a cpl of races whilst i killed time waiting for the MIL at hospital . I had a good look at where the A/W will be positioned  , it will be a greyhound track . 

Your right about the glorified training track scenario tho , trainers at all 3 tracks have said how great it will be for training and trialing during winter , utter farce .

[nomates 3,608]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

This is their attempt to control race numbers and the amount of stake money they have to spend . There are already 10/11/12 races on a lot of programmes , so if that start breaking up those open rating races back into their bands , as before , they could well end up with more races again , which would force them to add another race day to compensate for those added rating races . CD still has another 5 weeks before we see 2 meetings in a week . Nothing for mdn sprinters this week and if you want your horse to race next week well then you get the pleasure of travelling to New Plymouth on Friday .

There has been some really nice 2/3 win horses being forced to race against hardened open horses , last week Penelope Cruise was forced to race against horses like the winner Dolcetto , same this Saturday . It's hard for those inexperienced promising horses , sheer ability isn't always enough . But NZTR don't really care , they probably think they are doing a great job .

Still haven't got programmes or stakes out past 26th Sept , it's embarrassing how they treat industry participants with so little respect .

Well they must have got that email because they have now put on an extra meeting at Otaki on 3rd Sept . I was watching the Otaki trials on TV this morning and thinking , why are they not using this track ? , it looked in premo condition for the trials  . They are slow but fortunately not deathly slow , well not all the time .

[Crow 229]

8 minutes ago, nomates said:

Well they must have got that email because they have now put on an extra meeting at Otaki on 3rd Sept . I was watching the Otaki trials on TV this morning and thinking , why are they not using this track ? , it looked in premo condition for the trials  . They are slow but fortunately not deathly slow , well not all the time .

It takes a while for the lift to get to the top floor, finally a bit of foresight as to what the industry is looking for. If it wasn't so serious its laughable in fact that how bad racing is being run there's so many horses available ready to compete.

[nomates 3,608]

5 minutes ago, Crow said:

It takes a while for the lift to get to the top floor, finally a bit of foresight as to what the industry is looking for. If it wasn't so serious its laughable in fact that how bad racing is being run there's so many horses available ready to compete.

Mate there is no top floor for these guys , they are and always will be " bargain basement " .

As for foresight , we would never have been in this position if they had the smallest smidgen of foresight , this has been done because someone's had a whisper in their ear , they are completely defunct of any sort of understanding of what the industry requires .

[Huey 2,037]

39 minutes ago, nomates said:

this has been done because someone's had a whisper in their ear , 

Exactly was thinking the same.

[nomates 3,608]

18 minutes ago, Huey said:

Exactly was thinking the same.

Great minds think alike , but unfortunately so do fools , so i'm reminded by my wife on occasion . I'll leave it to you to decide which side of the fence you believe we're falling on .

[We're Doomed 4,866]

3 hours ago, nomates said:

Well they must have got that email because they have now put on an extra meeting at Otaki on 3rd Sept . I was watching the Otaki trials on TV this morning and thinking , why are they not using this track ? , it looked in premo condition for the trials  . They are slow but fortunately not deathly slow , well not all the time .

"This meeting has been added to fill a hole in the calendar and is not a precedent for further additions. This meeting will be an industry meeting with a maximum of 10 races to be run."

Sounds like they did it reluctantly. And apparently they see no need for any further tinkering with the calendar.

[We're Doomed 4,866]

One interesting aspect of the calendar is the programming of Southland meetings through the winter. First the July meeting and now this week's Gore meeting.  And we have already had a Wingatui meeting this month. Last season the first Southland meeting was on 27 Sept. I wonder if this is just an aberration because of Covid or an indication of what they intend to do in future seasons.

Also a bit of a worry if this new found faith in Southland's potential is to be facilitated by taking licences out of Canterbury. Bit tough when horses have to travel for 5 or 6 hours to get a start in a $10,000 race.

[nomates 3,608]

1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:

"This meeting has been added to fill a hole in the calendar and is not a precedent for further additions. This meeting will be an industry meeting with a maximum of 10 races to be run."

Sounds like they did it reluctantly. And apparently they see no need for any further tinkering with the calendar.

Nothing is done with a cohesive plan in mind , piecemealing it and stitching togeather programmes when need be . But this method shows scant regard for participants to be able to plan for their horses . Take next week with New Plymouth already scheduled they have now added Otaki , so now NP will take a hit as a lot of lower NI trainers will wait for Otaki , The extra cost to the owner for training is saved thru less money spent on transport . They should stop pissing around , set the programme till the New Year to give people some certainty . They are not good enough to be trying to pull the strings like some master puppeteer . 

[nomates 3,608]

Re ; open rating races , i have heard 3 trainers on trackside , T kennedy at Gore yesterday and N Tiley and A Sharrock today , all 3 bemoaning the continuation of these races , saying how unfair it is and they need to discontinue them ASAP . They have all Sat meetings up until the 26th Sept programmed for open rating races . Hopefully these 3 trainers have voiced their concerns to the powers at NZTR along with any others that have the same concerns . 

These races were brought in to manage the early return of post Covid racing , why are they continuing to programme them . It couldn't be that difficult for them start putting on proper rating band races .

If 3 highly respected trainers are voicing their concerns and NZTR continue to ignore them , what does it say about our managements attitude to industry participants .

Will be very interesting to watch developments , if any , over the next couple of weeks .

[nomates 3,608]

And now K Kelso has had a crack , said it is a joke , that NZTR are placing his horses not him . I hope they have all been talking to NZTR , can't just be moaning about it on TV , show some trainer power .

[Huey 2,037]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

And now K Kelso has had a crack , said it is a joke , that NZTR are placing his horses not him . I hope they have all been talking to NZTR , can't just be moaning about it on TV , show some trainer power .

It's very likely that NZTR don't understand the difference between these races and the ratings band. 

[Chris Wood 1,577]

In the real world the Trainers Association would speak out, no chance since they sold their soul to NZTR....sorry, Love Racing......

[Crow 229]

On 8/22/2020 at 3:10 PM, nomates said:

Re ; open rating races , i have heard 3 trainers on trackside , T kennedy at Gore yesterday and N Tiley and A Sharrock today , all 3 bemoaning the continuation of these races , saying how unfair it is and they need to discontinue them ASAP . They have all Sat meetings up until the 26th Sept programmed for open rating races . Hopefully these 3 trainers have voiced their concerns to the powers at NZTR along with any others that have the same concerns . 

These races were brought in to manage the early return of post Covid racing , why are they continuing to programme them . It couldn't be that difficult for them start putting on proper rating band races .

If 3 highly respected trainers are voicing their concerns and NZTR continue to ignore them , what does it say about our managements attitude to industry participants .

Will be very interesting to watch developments , if any , over the next couple of weeks .

So now they add a maiden hurdle to Hawera meeting which they will split if enough noms. Gee they can't even programme races for flat horses but bent over backwards keeping the jumps trainers with all the opportunities. Funny thing Hawera have to get jumps carted from Wanganui to use and remember Wanganui got jumps racing there too. Any progress on getting programme for flat horses is beyond a joke.

[Maximus 439]

I am keen to know why NZTR cant follow Kranji approach and run 14 races in 6hr  - in their case from 4;30pm-10:30pm (start times, excl lead-up and clean-up). Even in winter 10:30am-4:30pm must be viable ...

[Leggy 4,089]

43 minutes ago, weasel57 said:

I am keen to know why NZTR cant follow Kranji approach and run 14 races in 6hr  - in their case from 4;30pm-10:30pm (start times, excl lead-up and clean-up). Even in winter 10:30am-4:30pm must be viable ...

Don't be silly. Though they can run trials 10 minutes apart.

[Crow 229]

On 8/19/2020 at 5:59 PM, Crow said:

When will the normal racing system return to give those rating 72 and 82 horses their own opportunity to race within their own rating band instead of at the moment they are basically used to subsidize open class racing to keep the fields full. Obviously this is turnover related and not about horses future racing opportunities.  Now the jumping season has progressed and they have bend over backwards for them, Saturday racing therefore less opportunity for flat horses  for better money then you have 2 open jumping races with 10 runners or less in them and I bet if there was a 50k flat race around it would have no trouble filling up.  Makes you wonder the thinking behind this as it is hard for those rated horses to progress or to even find a program of races ahead that might suit.

Just to add to the short comings of the industry how come North and South have all their programmes for racing out yet Central have nothing obviously no unity within the industry to keep things up to date.  So looking like 72 and 82 ratings are gone and 74 the new norm and then you in open class will be interesting but it does show the lack of open class horses going around consistently all year round. At least thy still have enough coin to keep them going.