chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 I find it hard to find anything significant to defend the ride actually. All he considered was winning the race - everyone else's chances and health came second to that. The look he took back after the winning post spoke volumes for me Pegasus 9 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 I wonder if say, OPB (Or another visiting kiwi Jockey) was on Smart Image, what would be the reaction from Stipes, Scribes, Social Media? I’d say OP would have been hung from the Opera House on Sat night! Hermione, Baz (NZ), dock leaf and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,760 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 Much will depend on what the other jockeys say, although this time delay won’t help their memories any.. Andrew Adkins is the most important and who knows what he will remember..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Leggy said: Try specsavers yourself, then have another look at the head on. Deputy chief steward Wade Birch - who was overseeing the meeting with chief steward Marc Van Gestel on holidays - provided his observation of the incident to jockeys. Birch noted that when approaching the 300m mark he felt initially there had been a run for 'a short distance' for Smart Image but that run closed when Schofield's mount Mr Colorful shifted out slightly. "Hugh Bowman came on that horse's heels (Mr Colorful) and it took him wider on the track, shifting out quite abruptly on Andrew Adkins," Birch said. Given the above Leggy , should Schofield be put out for causing the whole incident?? Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Given the above Leggy , should Schofield be put out for causing the whole incident?? Greg I don't think anyone will be put out for "causing" "the incident" per se. Once the stewards have gathered and assessed the evidence, they will consider if and who should be warned or charged with a breach of the rules and which rules. If found guilty of a charge they then would be penalised. Again, I'm not a party to that evidence so don't have a firm opinion, but from what I can see Schofield could possibly cop a charge, as could Bowman and maybe Adkins and others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 Tell us what Andrew did? Interfere on his way down to the ground? Memphis2 and Pegasus 9 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Leggy said: I don't think anyone will be put out for "causing" "the incident" per se. Once the stewards have gathered and assessed the evidence, they will consider if and who should be warned or charged with a breach of the rules and which rules. If found guilty of a charge they then would be penalised. Again, I'm not a party to that evidence so don't have a firm opinion, but from what I can see Schofield could possibly cop a charge, as could Bowman and maybe Adkins and others. Huh Adkins is the one who ended up on the deck how does he get charged.Only one person had a win at all cost mentality and his name don't start with an A. Baz (NZ), Pegasus 9, Insider and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Leggy said: I don't think anyone will be put out for "causing" "the incident" per se. Once the stewards have gathered and assessed the evidence, they will consider if and who should be warned or charged with a breach of the rules and which rules. If found guilty of a charge they then would be penalised. Again, I'm not a party to that evidence so don't have a firm opinion, but from what I can see Schofield could possibly cop a charge, as could Bowman and maybe Adkins and others. Only time will tell if your analysis is right or wrong. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipOrange 147 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 18 hours ago, NextPlease said: Tell us what Andrew did? Interfere on his way down to the ground? Hey may have contributed to his fall by his horse moving left and closing the gap! Keneperu 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted July 28, 2020 Sure thing Bob, but that means there was a gap to begin with. You could argue that it was never there. Even Bowman admitted he was going to have to push out on Andrew to get the "gap". Therefore, no real gap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,760 Report post Posted July 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, TurnipOrange said: Hey may have contributed to his fall by his horse moving left and closing the gap! Moving left...?? No space there...He was knocked over from his right as Bowman came out.... there was no gap. Pegasus 9 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipOrange 147 Report post Posted July 29, 2020 The Bump didnt actually cause the fall, I can see the horse in red colours moving in and taking Andrews Line as well, there is a lot going on Leggy and hedley 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, TurnipOrange said: The Bump didnt actually cause the fall, I can see the horse in red colours moving in and taking Andrews Line as well, there is a lot going on Yes. Was that Dolan on Duchess? That's the horse Andrew ended up clipping heels with after it shifted in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident 155 Report post Posted July 29, 2020 On 7/28/2020 at 1:53 PM, Trump said: I wonder if say, OPB (Or another visiting kiwi Jockey) was on Smart Image, what would be the reaction from Stipes, Scribes, Social Media? I’d say OP would have been hung from the Opera House on Sat night! Indeed. Or if the same scenario had happened to Hugh himself on Winx. dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,760 Report post Posted July 29, 2020 Going ahead without Adkins present now....?? Starting to smell...... Acting chief steward, Wade Birch told Racenet that the inquiry would resume at 9am on Thursday at the offices of Racing NSW. “We’ve got sufficient evidence on which to proceed and bring the matter to a proper conclusion,” Birch said. “We have spoken to Andrew and he doesn’t have any objection to the matter proceeding without him.” Racenet will be in attendance at the inquiry and report on the hearing at its conclusion on Thursday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted July 29, 2020 Its ok, all those people that profited from this slaughter are going to refund the owners loss, the riders hospital bills and loss of earnings ..... Keneperu 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 6 weeks..... and let the stock cars commence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,760 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 So, they find him “ the major cause of the incident” where another horse is also to undergo surgery, then give him 6 weeks....? You have to wonder what Van Gestel would have done.....Birch is a clown...and this is a joke. When handing down the penalty, Birch told Bowman “a matter such as this would attract a penalty of three-months” before rubbing the jockey out until September 11. Birch told the hearing Bowman’s “race riding record, the contribution of the horse (Mr Colourful) racing forward of you and the time of year” were all factors in stewards handing down their six week penalty. https://www.racenet.com.au/news/hugh-bowman-found-guilty--gets-six-weeks-for-causing-hot-n--hazy-fall-20200730 swampfox 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 Absolute joke it says the minimum is 3 months and he cuts it in half..absolute JOKE. Grego, Baz (NZ), Dissident and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 I keep finding myself looking at Leo's dictionary for some choice words. Dissident 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepers 276 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 Does seem very light especially considering the carnage he caused,but then he is Australias favourite son, and not a Kiwi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 Visit to injured jockeys beside a few days after huge smash saying he's not required at enquiry , 6 weeks sentence after copping an early plea . Bit of a square up job it could look like , but I am sure it's not the case at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,760 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 Since when has any of this been relevant....??? When giving his final submissions Bowman asked stewards to consider the upcoming spring carnival and current COVID-19 pandemic while also conceding he may have been ring rusty last Saturday, his first day back at the races for over a month. "It was my first race ride in five weeks and maybe that had a bearing on my timing not being that, quite as specific as it might usually be,” he said. “All the major horses for the spring carnival will be beginning their preparations so it’s a very important time of year. "We have the circumstances of COVID. We are very fortunate that our industry has been continued but it continues with restrictions so travel to interstate, Melbourne carnival most likely will be unlikely this year. "I think these are circumstances that should, and I would like to be considered when coming to the conclusion of penalty.” Bowman was suspended for six weeks on Thursday morning. Dissident and ivanthegreat 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Since when has any of this been relevant....??? When giving his final submissions Bowman asked stewards to consider the upcoming spring carnival and current COVID-19 pandemic while also conceding he may have been ring rusty last Saturday, his first day back at the races for over a month. "It was my first race ride in five weeks and maybe that had a bearing on my timing not being that, quite as specific as it might usually be,” he said. “All the major horses for the spring carnival will be beginning their preparations so it’s a very important time of year. "We have the circumstances of COVID. We are very fortunate that our industry has been continued but it continues with restrictions so travel to interstate, Melbourne carnival most likely will be unlikely this year. "I think these are circumstances that should, and I would like to be considered when coming to the conclusion of penalty.” Bowman was suspended for six weeks on Thursday morning. So could a player get off a spear tackle , few weeks out , covid , team in contention for finals . Swap some roles , put a pom jock on horse carving up Winx for 4 the Cox Plate , the Pom jocks getting 6 week !!!!! , I doubt he would leave the Valley alive . dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident 155 Report post Posted July 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Since when has any of this been relevant....??? When giving his final submissions Bowman asked stewards to consider the upcoming spring carnival and current COVID-19 pandemic while also conceding he may have been ring rusty last Saturday, his first day back at the races for over a month. "It was my first race ride in five weeks and maybe that had a bearing on my timing not being that, quite as specific as it might usually be,” he said. “All the major horses for the spring carnival will be beginning their preparations so it’s a very important time of year. "We have the circumstances of COVID. We are very fortunate that our industry has been continued but it continues with restrictions so travel to interstate, Melbourne carnival most likely will be unlikely this year. "I think these are circumstances that should, and I would like to be considered when coming to the conclusion of penalty.” Bowman was suspended for six weeks on Thursday morning. The only relevant part might be the fact that it was his first ride back. Shouldn't lessen the punishment but could certainly contribute to making a very poor split second decision. I can't understand why there should be any consideration of the spring carnival or covid. Doesn't sit too well, him moaning about his potential lack of opportunities to earn $ in Spring when his own actions have stopped another jockey from earning any at all for a minimum of 6 months. 6 weeks is ridiculous, particularly when its stated it should be 3 months. And he still thinks he made the right call going for the "gap"?? So wait til next time he makes the same move again? Didn't someone over there get suspended for 2 months just yesterday for not riding a horse out? But a dead horse, seriously injured jockey and narrow escape from further carnage is a more acceptable outcome???! Crazy. dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...