scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 It has to be in the range of 5-6 months. Winx has retired, so NSW Racing has nothing to be afraid of in terms of revenue. If JMac committed the same offense, he'd be out for a year. dock leaf, swampfox, Memphis2 and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenz 1,071 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 20 hours ago, jeepers said: I have watched the replays many times over.That was a blatant action by Hughie to bulldoze a path.It is not the first time I have seen him do this.Sadly Hugh you should be outed for no less than 12 months.If it were my horse that was destroyed I would sue him for it's value.A precedent needs to be established after all owners pay all the bills and loose 23% of winnings on stakes in all races.10% each,trainer and jockey and 3% jockeys welfare fund. Replay where do you find that? Found it,not good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 17 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Jockey with Fractured tibia, fibia and clavicle......potential top horse euthanised.....whatever they give him, it wasn’t worth the cost. X rays show 7 rib fractures and punctured lung as well...Surgery happening today. All the best Andrew. Memphis2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 Going by the comments attributed to Stipe Wade Birch, Bowman May be a chance for a minor charge - if any. The Glyn Schofield mount moved out just as Bowman went to go on its outside, thus contributing to the problem. He might even get off. Spilt second decisions on 500kg of fast moving horses - very easy to make judgment from the Stands. He’ll get something I would imagine - maybe not what many think. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 I see he kept the race and the owners and punters all got paid, wonder what they think ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus 9 511 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 I would say that Andrew Adkins is very lucky to still be alive, not so the poor horse. RIP Hot ‘n’ Hazy. Bowman showed total disregard for his fellow jockeys and their mounts. Only good luck and good horsemanship stopped what could have been more fatalities. He should own what he has done and the Stewards should penalise him accordingly before someone actually does die. swampfox 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Archer said: I see he kept the race and the owners and punters all got paid, wonder what they think ? They couldn’t take the race off the winner unless there was a protest by one of the placegetters. Was that the case? No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) EsquireNZ; thank you for bringing the video to our attention. If Bowman gets less than six months suspension the stewards will be guilty of bringing racing into disrepute. Edited July 26, 2020 by Tauhei Notts spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis2 1,078 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 48 minutes ago, Trump said: They couldn’t take the race off the winner unless there was a protest by one of the placegetters. Was that the case? No. Well he seemed to extinguish the chances of one runner. Forever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Memphis2 said: Well he seemed to extinguish the chances of one runner. Forever No protest. I’m picking he will get a downgraded charge. Doubt it will be “Dangerous” charge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Trump said: Going by the comments attributed to Stipe Wade Birch, Bowman May be a chance for a minor charge - if any. The Glyn Schofield mount moved out just as Bowman went to go on its outside, thus contributing to the problem. He might even get off. Spilt second decisions on 500kg of fast moving horses - very easy to make judgment from the Stands. He’ll get something I would imagine - maybe not what many think. You are kidding Trumpy. Did you see what Rodd and Williams got for minor interference ?! Six months minimum for mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, Trump said: No protest. I’m picking he will get a downgraded charge. Doubt it will be “Dangerous” charge. Can you ever see a gap there for him to go through , shifting out or not shifting out from one in front , OK I haven't seen the head on but I just cannot see the gap from tv angle and I am trying real hard to see it but I cannot . Is it like the tardis looks small but huge inside . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,683 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 Have just seen the race for the first time on TV3 (which will make great fodder for the animal welfare activists), and IMO probably the most glaring example of dangerous riding since the Auckland Cup "win" by O'Sullivan on Ligeiro. In real time, slo mo, whichever, it is a shocker.Cannot believe some on the forum who are looking for mitigating factors. Memphis2, TurnyTom and swampfox 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueanytime 89 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 Bowman had two cracks at Adkins' mount. The first time Adkins held his rightful line, the second crack shows Bowman's mount, with near side reign tight, come out at a ridiculous angle, clearly urging his horse towards Hot N Hazys' front legs and the rest is history. One dead horse and a very seriously injured fellow jockey. Deliberate act and worth every part of 12 months, at least. swampfox and Memphis2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident 155 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Red Rum said: Can you ever see a gap there for him to go through , shifting out or not shifting out from one in front , OK I haven't seen the head on but I just cannot see the gap from tv angle and I am trying real hard to see it but I cannot . Is it like the tardis looks small but huge inside . Bit blurry sorry, but this photo tells a story. dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzhorseracing 55 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 photos might help discussions. these photos were published by https://twitter.com/SurfingPunter social media is helping to keep the game competitive but more importantly, honest. I expect a long spell for bowman. Baz (NZ) and Dissident 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueanytime 89 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dissident said: Bit blurry sorry, but this photo tells a story. That's the nuts and bolts of it right there. No other horse or jockey has contributed to the act. Plain as day. Dissident and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident 155 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Blueanytime said: That's the nuts and bolts of it right there. No other horse or jockey has contributed to the act. Plain as day. Sure is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,883 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 Does he go out for a year or does he get fined $200,000? Either way it’s chicken feed to what’s he’s earned since Winx came along. It’s chicken feed on what the horse he caused to die, was worth, or what young Adkins might have earned in the next 12 months? Furthermore what might be the ongoing costs be for young Andrew Adkins for the rest of his life? These questions all need to be taken into account when setting judgement on Bowman. Baz (NZ), swampfox, Midget and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 If James McDonald got 18 months for betting on his own horse and winning without hurting anyone.... Then Bowman should get 2-3 years for killing a horse and attempting to kill it's rider! Midget, scooby3051, Insider and 2 others 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus 9 511 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 32 minutes ago, Blueanytime said: That's the nuts and bolts of it right there. No other horse or jockey has contributed to the act. Plain as day. Could not be any plainer. Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus 9 511 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, Baz (NZ) said: If James McDonald got 18 months for betting on his own horse and winning without hurting anyone.... Then Bowman should get 2-3 years for killing a horse and attempting to kill it's rider! Exactly but the glaring difference is the nationality. scoobysnacks, Tauhei Notts and Baz (NZ) 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampfox 94 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 exactly baz. 1 minute ago, Baz (NZ) said: If James McDonald got 18 months for betting on his own horse and winning without hurting anyone.... Then Bowman should get 2-3 years for killing a horse and attempting to kill it's rider! exactly baz and hotnhazys connections need compensating Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Ohokaman said: You are kidding Trumpy. Did you see what Rodd and Williams got for minor interference ?! Six months minimum for mine. Agree with you O Wise One, but I’m wary of the comments of Wade Birch, the Stipe. I haven’t given my own opinion of whether Bowman erred - I’ll leave that to the experts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, Baz (NZ) said: If James McDonald got 18 months for betting on his own horse and winning without hurting anyone.... Then Bowman should get 2-3 years for killing a horse and attempting to kill it's rider! First of all Baz, Bowman has to be charged with an offence. All the emotion of some on here and comparisons to totally different charges mean zero. Once he’s been charged then all that matters is guilty or not guilty and if the former - what penalty. Comparisons with A betting charge are ridiculous. Integrity and Safety issues are not connected. Leggy and nzhorseracing 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...