Stables 577 Report post Posted July 13, 2020 Yes he did, but it sure as hell won't be allowed to happen for 8 years JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 404 Report post Posted July 14, 2020 On 7/13/2020 at 12:49 PM, Mikie said: I know what the Rules say, Nigel can’t even break in horses under 1301-1303 I really can’t see why the Rules make it illegal for him, or anyone, to break in horses. Where is the harm in that? Mikie Exactly, not much they can do, I remember Mare Price breaking in a mate's horse for trainer Mark Purdon and Maree wasn't licenced at tge time although she did hold driver and trainer licences in the past. Lots of the big trainers send horses to others to break in . Quite a few private trainers will work with a young horse while not licenced and take up their licence again when one shows promise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie 325 Report post Posted July 14, 2020 14 hours ago, 2Piper said: Exactly, not much they can do, I remember Mare Price breaking in a mate's horse for trainer Mark Purdon and Maree wasn't licenced at tge time although she did hold driver and trainer licences in the past. Lots of the big trainers send horses to others to break in . Quite a few private trainers will work with a young horse while not licenced and take up their licence again when one shows promise. Sorry, you are wrong 2Piper There is a lot they can do I would guess they wouldn't register the horse being broken in Mikie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton 150 Report post Posted July 17, 2020 Should have been disqualified forever, what about all the punters, other trainers and owners etc he has cheated and effectively stolen from. napier and Keneperu 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 404 Report post Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 10:47 AM, Mikie said: Sorry, you are wrong 2Piper There is a lot they can do I would guess they wouldn't register the horse being broken in Mikie Once they disqualify him , he's not licenced and therefore RIU are not allowed on his property if he chooses not to admit them. They would be trespassing, would they not ?Also he spells his racehorses elsewhere, are they gonna follow him everywhere ? What can they actually do ? How many employees did he have ? Or still does ? What consideration does the disqualification have regarding employment law ? I'm just asking questions ? As I reiterated before common law takes precedence and any HRNZ rule has to abide those constraints. kilcoyne 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted July 17, 2020 Grey area? All racing rules covered by racing act which law! Someone with a legal background may know answer. I don't think law of the jungle would apply here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted July 17, 2020 Quite a balanced article by excellent journalist Martin Van Beyden out of Christchurch today......a main story on Stuff ,and I assume the Press . Excellent qoutes from racing people STomilinson ,Jill Smolenski and MHouse. They speak of the damage these actions and the resulting bad publicity do to their careers/livelihood etc. Yet we wonder on here why attendance and betting is in sharp decline. The Industry eats itself up from the inside......yet we look to divert blame. Jackal, We're Doomed, Insider and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 17, 2020 A disqualified person is still covered by the rules of racing, which means racecourse detectives are able to inspect his property and investigate his activities. He can be charged with more offencess if he continues to ignore the disqualification JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,759 Report post Posted July 18, 2020 VB’s story.... https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/122166943/champ-to-cheat--the-fall-of-trainer-nigel-mcgrath Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJESTIC 179 Report post Posted July 18, 2020 Todays article pity about Jill Smolenski (photoed) quoted as Jack Smolenski daughter. Wrong Jill. Cheating bastard should have got life. napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 18, 2020 I know Jill is not Jack's daughter but what the hell are you talking about "cheating barsard should have got life" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner 217 Report post Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Stables said: I know Jill is not Jack's daughter but what the hell are you talking about "cheating barsard should have got life" It was the incorrect photo - JW has a daughter Jill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJESTIC 179 Report post Posted July 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Stables said: I know Jill is not Jack's daughter but what the hell are you talking about "cheating barsard should have got life" McGrath who else do you think should have got a life ban napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...