Stables 577 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Disqualified for 8 years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45yearsofharness 173 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Well that would have to be a record, Yes/No? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 In recent years yes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdt 293 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Don't want to get into the debate too harsh/not harsh enough, but really he should just walk away and find something new to do in his life hard as that is going to be. Yes he could appeal I suppose but in the end he is toast insofar as anything to do with harness racing is concerned. I wish him well in what ever he chooses to do. JJ Flash and 45yearsofharness 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackal 12 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 All the apologists conspicuously absent now. Nasty old RIU caught a cheat. How dare they...bullies !! But I’m sure the Judicial Committee of JCA are crooks too now !! Wonder if HRNZ chair who proudly supported this bloke will now indulge in some self reflection about their suitability for the role ? john legend, JJ Flash, We're Doomed and 1 other 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 I agree, all he's going to achieve by appealing is cost himself 10's of thousands of dollars and maybe get his disqualification reduced by one or two years. A pity, he was an excellent trainer JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
napier 339 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, Stables said: I agree, all he's going to achieve by appealing is cost himself 10's of thousands of dollars and maybe get his disqualification reduced by one or two years. A pity, he was an excellent trainer Why was he an excellent trainer ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple h 26 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, napier said: Why was he an excellent trainer ? I wonder how many of his wins are actually legit! Keneperu 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Would you say that if he never got caught JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 His ability to peak a horse for a big race was something that only good trainers coud do napier and Keneperu 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,136 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 The judgement identifies/settles Precedent for future rule breakers. That to me is the best outcome of this case. Some may argue he has been made an example of but in the end it was HIM that broke the rules. Others now know what lies ahead if the try and wrought the system so from a deterrent point of view its no bad thing IMHO Greg We're Doomed and 45yearsofharness 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJESTIC 183 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 It's about time someone got made an example of. Have no sympathy for the cheat. Probably been doing it for years and finally got caught. Sooner they get stuck into others the better. 45yearsofharness and napier 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,136 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, MAJESTIC said: Sooner they get stuck into others the better. Tell us more? Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,136 Report post Posted July 11, 2020 Question for you all , if you are disqualified and you lose your trainers license as NM has i presume he cannot enter a racecourse but can he pre train and /or break in horses for others Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 11, 2020 Technically by the rules he can have nothing to do with any horses registered with HRNZ and he cannot enter a racecourse JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted July 11, 2020 But he handed his license in so he wasn't registered so dose the make a difference Value Bell 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 11, 2020 No, he has been classified as a disqualified person by the Judicial control Authority, it makes no difference that he wasn't a licence holder at the time of his disqualification JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 408 Report post Posted July 12, 2020 12 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Question for you all , if you are disqualified and you lose your trainers license as NM has i presume he cannot enter a racecourse but can he pre train and /or break in horses for others Greg Does he own any horses , part of or outright ? Don" t think they can stop him owning any at time of disq. but would have to wait 8 years for any more to be registered in his name. Could even still buy at yearling sales and prepare them to sell on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 12, 2020 You are correct 2Piper he can own a horse during the period of disqualification, but he cannot race it. He could buy a horse at the yearling sales, but not in his qwn name and he would be breaking the rules if he was to train the horse. The only horses he will be permitted to sell would be those in his ownership at the time of his disqualification. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie 326 Report post Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Stables said: You are correct 2Piper he can own a horse during the period of disqualification, but he cannot race it. He could buy a horse at the yearling sales, but not in his qwn name and he would be breaking the rules if he was to train the horse. The only horses he will be permitted to sell would be those in his ownership at the time of his disqualification. Stables is 109% correct 2Piper, I’m afraid you are incorrect Mikie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,720 Report post Posted July 12, 2020 They posted that in a hurry DISQUALIFICATIONS: Refer Rules 1301-1312 CRANEFIELD Dean James, Christchurch 1987 For life for corrupt practice 5/8/87 LAWSON Simon John, Hamilton 2019 From 11 May 2019 to 11 November 2021 McGRATH Nigel Raymond, Christchurch 2020 From 13th July 2020 to 12th July 2028 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,136 Report post Posted July 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Stables said: You are correct 2Piper he can own a horse during the period of disqualification, but he cannot race it. He could buy a horse at the yearling sales, but not in his qwn name and he would be breaking the rules if he was to train the horse. The only horses he will be permitted to sell would be those in his ownership at the time of his disqualification. Lets hope that NM knows all these rules. There is some noise out there in Harness land that he doesn't.I hope for his sake he walks away and doesn't do any more damage to his reputation Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted July 12, 2020 I'm sure the RIU will be keeping a close eye on him. With some shorter term disqualifications they may have turned a blind eye, but Nigel has pissed them off too often. There may be one way out for him, if he could get someone to take over his stables and train from there, but McGrath would have to be very careful not to be seen to be involved Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie 326 Report post Posted July 13, 2020 I know what the Rules say, Nigel can’t even break in horses under 1301-1303 I really can’t see why the Rules make it illegal for him, or anyone, to break in horses. Where is the harm in that? Mikie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,136 Report post Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Stables said: There may be one way out for him, if he could get someone to take over his stables and train from there, but McGrath would have to be very careful not to be seen to be involved He did that last time when he got a holiday didn't he with Burrows training his team. The rest is like a Tui's ad from memory Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...