departed 155 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 It is a little over 3 weeks until the new season commences and still on the NZTR site there is no stakesmoney shown for the racemeetings carded. How long is it going to take? Or are horses really going to be racing for $0? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 They said the end of the month. We do have this though. Meeting News Three New July Meetings Added Three additional meetings for July 2020 have been added to the calendar. These meetings will be held at Phar Lap Raceway, Timaru on Sunday 19 July, Avondale on Wednesday 22 July and Hawke’s Bay on Wednesday 29 July. All races will be run for $15,000 as per the July policy. Programmes for these meetings will be finalised in the next 24 hours and distributed to stake-holders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,866 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Leggy said: They said the end of the month. We do have this though. Meeting News Three New July Meetings Added Three additional meetings for July 2020 have been added to the calendar. These meetings will be held at Phar Lap Raceway, Timaru on Sunday 19 July, Avondale on Wednesday 22 July and Hawke’s Bay on Wednesday 29 July. All races will be run for $15,000 as per the July policy. Programmes for these meetings will be finalised in the next 24 hours and distributed to stake-holders. Bloody hell Leggy. Don't do that to me. I just got the shock of my life. Giving a meeting to the Phar Lap raceway. Bloody hell. That just screams so much common sense, makes you wonder if they have employed someone with a brain. Leggy, ADM and nomates 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,551 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 And the Winter Cup is reinstated. Patiti 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,541 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Is that for real Pam, common bloody sense prevailed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 WINTER CUP REINSTATEDThe Canterbury Jockey Club (‘CJC’)is delighted to announce that with the co-operation of New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing(‘NZTR’)the time-honouredGroup 3 Winter Cup will be run on Saturday 15 August 2020.The Grand National Festival of Racing was a casualty of the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the racing calendar and whenthat decisionswas made there was little likelihoodthat the race would, be run this winter. Racemeetings in the June and July resumption phase had to be scheduled at racecourses wired with fibre optic cable and with Riccarton Park being one of only two such racecourses in the South Island that necessitatedtwo of the three days of the Grand National Festival coming forward.However now thatthoroughbred racing is up and running as from late June there is no reason not to run the Winter Cup and it will take its place on the programme of the CJC racemeeting at Riccarton Park on 15 August.The race will be run over its traditional distance of 1600 metres with the Group 3 stake to be confirmed when the NZTR funding policy is released later this week. Usually early entries are taken for the Winter Cup but that will not be the case this year and entries will close with the other races on theprogramme on Tuesday 11 August 2020.Attached is a fact sheet of the history of the Winter Cup.For further information please contact Tim Mills Canterbury Jockey Club Chief Executive 027 430 0208 or tim@riccartonpark.co.nz. Monday 6 July2020 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,551 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, TurnyTom said: Is that for real Pam, common bloody sense prevailed Just got an email from NZTR to that effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Pam Robson said: And the Winter Cup is reinstated. Careful. WD will have a heart attack. We're Doomed and Pam Robson 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,866 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Leggy said: Careful. WD will have a heart attack. Yes, a bit of a shock. It will be interesting to see what Northern support they get. I did hear a few at Awapuni saying their normal target would have been the Winter Cup. However there is no Canterbury meeting for two weeks before that meeting and for two weeks after it, so any North Island visitors will probably be heading there for just the one race. The stake will be interesting as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: The stake will be interesting as well. I see they are saying in that release that funding will be known this week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, We're Doomed said: Yes, a bit of a shock. It will be interesting to see what Northern support they get. I did hear a few at Awapuni saying their normal target would have been the Winter Cup. However there is no Canterbury meeting for two weeks before that meeting and for two weeks after it, so any North Island visitors will probably be heading there for just the one race. The stake will be interesting as well. So there solutions for the Industry are reinstating what we already had...hmmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bidlake 760 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Pam Robson said: And the Winter Cup is reinstated. You'll be happy with that, you've got the horse to win it. Leggy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,551 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 59 minutes ago, Aaron Bidlake said: You'll be happy with that, you've got the horse to win it. News to me Aaron Bidlake 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,551 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Huey said: So there solutions for the Industry are reinstating what we already had...hmmmm Hmm indeed...how does that definition go again..? You know the one about expecting a different outcome.... ADM and Huey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow 229 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Huey said: So there solutions for the Industry are reinstating what we already had...hmmmm Pity they cant reinstated racing back to the proper ratings systems so you can at least set a programme for a horse as at the moment its a lottery on what weight you will get depending on how high a rating is in your race then if they pull out before fields hello you are up a couple of kilos without knowing. Next thing you are hanging out for a rider if needing to claim down. Those horses wanting to go forward in the early spring are going to be setback a lot as not all will be rushing to a bog track too early, just an example is Wanganui will all there meetings in that period there is only 1 1360 Open type race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter R S 412 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Ratings are being used for setting races for all meetings from 1 August Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,866 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, Peter R S said: Ratings are being used for setting races for all meetings from 1 August Which is a good idea. We can't afford to continue with 6 horses going around for $30,000 in a rating 82 while horses get eliminated from a rating 65. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter R S 412 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 But if the programme doesn’t match the horse numbers that is exactly what might happen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 As far as I can see only mdns up to R65 are banded entry. The remainder above that are open entry so will be banded accordingly to ensure full fields as far as possible? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter R S 412 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 That will certainly help the numbers in the open races, but a bit tough on R66-R80 level horses to have to compete with open class. Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
army 156 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, We're Doomed said: Which is a good idea. We can't afford to continue with 6 horses going around for $30,000 in a rating 82 while horses get eliminated from a rating 65. I dint agree. A horse that has had 5 starts for 2 wins is either rated 67 or 68 and they will struggle to get into fields. They are unfairly disadvsntaged JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 58 minutes ago, army said: I dint agree. A horse that has had 5 starts for 2 wins is either rated 67 or 68 and they will struggle to get into fields. They are unfairly disadvsntaged Where the banded entry races are carded up to R60, then I think that will provide a fair amount of certainty for R67/68s to get starts in the open entry races? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Peter R S said: That will certainly help the numbers in the open races, but a bit tough on R66-R80 level horses to have to compete with open class. Yes, I agree with that. I think the open entry races should be limited to say a 16 point maximum range if they stick with an 8kg weight spread so all in the range are spaced in the handicap in accord with their rating. So no more than say R66 to R82, for example, or where the banded entry races are R60, then R61 to R77. Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
army 156 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Leggy said: Where the banded entry races are carded up to R60, then I think that will provide a fair amount of certainty for R67/68s to get starts in the open entry races? They not ratings 60 though. On the web site they are rating 65. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Some appear to be unless that's a mistake. If you look at Wanganui September 5 for example you'll see there are 2 rating 60s and the rest open entry. Not sure how widespread that is. Haven't checked. https://loveracing.nz/RaceInfo/49545/Meeting-Overview.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...