Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 My business came through pretty much unscathed after Covid and being a man that is keen on the industry I wouldn't mind supporting one of the clubs with a few dollars by sponsoring a race. Which club gives you the best deal for your bucks? Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneasy 497 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Where do you operate your business Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,844 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Proud Magpie said: My business came through pretty much unscathed after Covid and being a man that is keen on the industry I wouldn't mind supporting one of the clubs with a few dollars by sponsoring a race. Which club gives you the best deal for your bucks? Depends where you are. If your business need local support, then obviously your local track. If not, see what promotion/signage/hospitality packages they offer so your clients get a good day out and the name is up in lights for a while. Winners rugs/ birdcage pics can be included. Any decent club will have a sponsorship manager or similar so give them a bell and see what they can offer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 This is an area where some new thinking is required. Currently sponsorship means extra money for stakes. I contend that generally sponsors could get better mileage sponsoring punters. i.e. tag on sponsors products or services onto the tote betting pools. There may be some laws against this at the moment but that needs to change. An easy way for sponsors to get rid of excess or old stock without forking up cash. Adding on sponsors to betting pools is perhaps the best way to prevent betting leakage to foreign operators. Its an area where the overseas parasites can't compete. Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 I emailed Pukekohe and got no response, so unsure what is going on there. I guess the smaller clubs would appreciate it more, as opposed to the likes of Ellerslie? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,403 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 If you live in the north I would say Counties. They took on the Training track that ARC bequethed them and its an 'albatross'. Its time for an amalgamation of clubs methinks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,710 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 5 hours ago, uneasy said: Where do you operate your business Magpie--Hawkes Bay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,425 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, NextPlease said: I emailed Pukekohe and got no response, so unsure what is going on there. I guess the smaller clubs would appreciate it more, as opposed to the likes of Ellerslie? Hi NextPlease. please message me re your email to pukekohe and I will get a response back to you ASAP scoobysnacks 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermoy 226 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 10 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Depends where you are. If your business need local support, then obviously your local track. If not, see what promotion/signage/hospitality packages they offer so your clients get a good day out and the name is up in lights for a while. Winners rugs/ birdcage pics can be included. Any decent club will have a sponsorship manager or similar so give them a bell and see what they can offer. Just check and make sure though that all of your sponsorship money paid actually ends up in the clubs hands as some foolish and struggling clubs pay their sponsorship managers a commission on sponsorship received ,even when the person getting the commission is a committee member, who supposedly is, and to all outward appearances looks like a volunteer. These bludgers are actually only feathering their own nests and their struggling racing clubs finances are secondary to their own. Insist that no commission gets deducted from your sponsorship money ,and if you cant get that guarantee, sponsor another club. ADM 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 10 hours ago, fermoy said: Just check and make sure though that all of your sponsorship money paid actually ends up in the clubs hands as some foolish and struggling clubs pay their sponsorship managers a commission on sponsorship received ,even when the person getting the commission is a committee member, who supposedly is, and to all outward appearances looks like a volunteer. These bludgers are actually only feathering their own nests and their struggling racing clubs finances are secondary to their own. Insist that no commission gets deducted from your sponsorship money ,and if you cant get that guarantee, sponsor another club. Name and shame that club / committee member ?? fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 15 hours ago, chevy86 said: Magpie--Hawkes Bay? Auckland Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 18 hours ago, NextPlease said: I emailed Pukekohe and got no response, so unsure what is going on there. I guess the smaller clubs would appreciate it more, as opposed to the likes of Ellerslie? At least at Ellerslie my brand would enjoy better exposure ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Proud Magpie said: At least at Ellerslie my brand would enjoy better exposure ? Of course, but I wasn't sure on the intentions of "I wouldn't mind supporting one of the clubs" Brand exposure would be Ellerslie - depending on your target audience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Proud Magpie said: At least at Ellerslie my brand would enjoy better exposure ? Definitely Ellerslie..... very good facilities if you introducing any new people/employees to racing. Helpful Board ...unpaid too ! Decent cup of coffee ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 20 hours ago, fermoy said: Just check and make sure though that all of your sponsorship money paid actually ends up in the clubs hands as some foolish and struggling clubs pay their sponsorship managers a commission on sponsorship received ,even when the person getting the commission is a committee member, who supposedly is, and to all outward appearances looks like a volunteer. These bludgers are actually only feathering their own nests and their struggling racing clubs finances are secondary to their own. Insist that no commission gets deducted from your sponsorship money ,and if you cant get that guarantee, sponsor another club. THats silly. Professional sport has numerous sponsorship sales agents who can give the sponsor better advice than part time amateurs. Many operate on 20% which isn't cheap. Most clubs can't afford a sponsorship manager so it makes sense outsourcing the function. Why should racing not compete on a level playing field with sport. Agree a bit that club officials not get on the train but at least their expenses can be accommodated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermoy 226 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, slam dunk said: THats silly. Professional sport has numerous sponsorship sales agents who can give the sponsor better advice than part time amateurs. Many operate on 20% which isn't cheap. Most clubs can't afford a sponsorship manager so it makes sense outsourcing the function. Why should racing not compete on a level playing field with sport. Agree a bit that club officials not get on the train but at least their expenses can be accommodated. He's not a professional.He's just a committee member ,albeit with a high profile, and a large ego who for some reason seems to have a sense of entitlement. One of the reasons though that racing is in trouble is there has been too many people like this guy with their snout in the trough making out they care about our great game when really they are more worried about their own pocket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,844 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 12 hours ago, fermoy said: He's not a professional.He's just a committee member ,albeit with a high profile, and a large ego who for some reason seems to have a sense of entitlement. One of the reasons though that racing is in trouble is there has been too many people like this guy with their snout in the trough making out they care about our great game when really they are more worried about their own pocket. Seen plenty of those Fermoy. Sponsorship should come under the Sales/Marketing umbrella and that’s usually the problem. Very few clubs employ the right sort of people to do the job properly, or see that area as a waste of time and money so anyone can do it. Then they wonder why things go tits up. fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted July 10, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 9:43 AM, Ohokaman said: Seen plenty of those Fermoy. Sponsorship should come under the Sales/Marketing umbrella and that’s usually the problem. Very few clubs employ the right sort of people to do the job properly, or see that area as a waste of time and money so anyone can do it. Then they wonder why things go tits up. Been talking to the chap at Ellerslie, he seems to be a good bloke ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,844 Report post Posted July 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, Proud Magpie said: Been talking to the chap at Ellerslie, he seems to be a good bloke ? Bill Heap still there ? He’s done a very good job for them over a long period. Was at Coke for many years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted July 10, 2020 12 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Bill Heap still there ? He’s done a very good job for them over a long period. Was at Coke for many years. Yeah thats him , seems to know what he is doing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted July 10, 2020 Whats your business ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Lady 67 Report post Posted July 11, 2020 23 hours ago, Archer said: Whats your business ? Plumbing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,844 Report post Posted July 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Proud Magpie said: Plumbing Racing has certainly been plumbing the depths lately, going down the gurgler so timing is spot on...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted July 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Proud Magpie said: Plumbing Wasn't a plumbing firm the leading sponsor of the Hawkes Bay triple crown or was that auto parts? i.e. Mudgeway. Perhaps you could glean some insights from them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...