Barry Lichter 179 Report post Posted June 24, 2020 The Racing Industry Bill passed in Parliament this morning and will be enacted by the start of the new season, August 1. https://www.lincolnfarms.co.nz/stories/racing-industry-bill-passes-mps-noting-urgency-needed-in-appointing-new-board/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted June 25, 2020 Why on earth would McKelvie say : “There is an urgency to get people who understand the gaming industry on the board.” Are they planning to shift the focus from sport and racing wagering to gaming as a source of revenue or what? Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted June 25, 2020 I note that there was a supplementary order paper put into the bill that alters the Sale & Supply of Alcohol Act. I cannot understand it. I am hopeful that some knowledgeable person could comment on that SOP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,519 Report post Posted June 25, 2020 Leggy, I gave little doubt racing is a gone burger and sport only sings at major events. Both do not give a predictable future. Gaming is most definitely on the agenda and I would suggest ahead of Racing and sport, both of which are sunset Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stodge 1,912 Report post Posted June 26, 2020 If you don't mind a perspective from somewhere else: The way horse racing is run in NZ is so totally different from how it is in the UK but both models have plenty of issues and problems. For me, the first question is to determine who owns the product - is it the courses/clubs where the action happens or the owners/trainers/jockeys who are more closely involved? In the UK, the product is sold directly to the bookmakers and the broadcasters through the various media rights contracts - the one for showing the races in off-course betting shops and the other for broadcasting on the two specialist racing channels and for overseas consumption. The racecourses have effectively claimed ownership of the product and are one leg of racing's "Triple Alliance" with the Horsemen (owners, trainers and jockeys) and the bookmakers. The fixture list is carved up between the racecourse ownership groups - each track gets its share with the all weather tracks racing more in the winter to provide a continuous income stream. Even though they buy the product, the bookmakers have decided they'll pay nothing for races they can't sell as betting propositions to the few punters in the shops not playing the FOBTs (what you call the pokies) so in theory there's no point a course putting on small field races. The Horsemen want lots of racing to provide opportunity and income for owners, trainers, jockeys and stable staff. The Government gets its share via the top-slicing of bookie profits based on revenue. The bookies of course have other sports for income generation such as football. Dog tracks are directly owned and run by bookmakers but they aren't allowed to own gallop tracks. Many courses can generate other income via conferences, exhibitions and the like but others can't and for them this year, with the loss of the big summer evening meetings in terms of spectators, is going to be very difficult. Where am I going with this? Every time I debate this with Kiwi racing people, I start with the "who owns the product?" question. Why can't the clubs get together and decide when they want to race, accepting the midweek cards will be for off-course wagering purposes. Negotiate a punter-friendly and horsemen-friendly fixture list and I have to say where you are well ahead of the UK is prize money. I've just seen the Riccarton card for tomorrow - every race going for $15,000 - call it £7,500 in UK money. At Lingfield tomorrow evening, the Class 6 handicaps have a first prize of £2,782 while the feature Class 4 goes for £4,690. You'd better believe jockeys and trainers and owners have bills to pay and all (or almost all) are struggling to make ends meet. The solution is more racing, more meetings and the wheel spins ever faster. Yet the runners aren't there - despite a 3-month shutdown and fewer meetings, tomorrow's Newmarket card has just 51 runners in 8 races. I think the most successful racing jurisdiction is Hong Kong but the best operating model for NZ may be France. France Galop is a powerful lobbying force and racing is treated not as a sport but as an agricultural pursuit with all the advantages that flows from that - just a thought. Baz (NZ) and Cubes 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,537 Report post Posted June 26, 2020 38 minutes ago, stodge said: If you don't mind a perspective from somewhere else: The way horse racing is run in NZ is so totally different from how it is in the UK but both models have plenty of issues and problems. For me, the first question is to determine who owns the product - is it the courses/clubs where the action happens or the owners/trainers/jockeys who are more closely involved? In the UK, the product is sold directly to the bookmakers and the broadcasters through the various media rights contracts - the one for showing the races in off-course betting shops and the other for broadcasting on the two specialist racing channels and for overseas consumption. The racecourses have effectively claimed ownership of the product and are one leg of racing's "Triple Alliance" with the Horsemen (owners, trainers and jockeys) and the bookmakers. The fixture list is carved up between the racecourse ownership groups - each track gets its share with the all weather tracks racing more in the winter to provide a continuous income stream. Even though they buy the product, the bookmakers have decided they'll pay nothing for races they can't sell as betting propositions to the few punters in the shops not playing the FOBTs (what you call the pokies) so in theory there's no point a course putting on small field races. The Horsemen want lots of racing to provide opportunity and income for owners, trainers, jockeys and stable staff. The Government gets its share via the top-slicing of bookie profits based on revenue. The bookies of course have other sports for income generation such as football. Dog tracks are directly owned and run by bookmakers but they aren't allowed to own gallop tracks. Many courses can generate other income via conferences, exhibitions and the like but others can't and for them this year, with the loss of the big summer evening meetings in terms of spectators, is going to be very difficult. Where am I going with this? Every time I debate this with Kiwi racing people, I start with the "who owns the product?" question. Why can't the clubs get together and decide when they want to race, accepting the midweek cards will be for off-course wagering purposes. Negotiate a punter-friendly and horsemen-friendly fixture list and I have to say where you are well ahead of the UK is prize money. I've just seen the Riccarton card for tomorrow - every race going for $15,000 - call it £7,500 in UK money. At Lingfield tomorrow evening, the Class 6 handicaps have a first prize of £2,782 while the feature Class 4 goes for £4,690. You'd better believe jockeys and trainers and owners have bills to pay and all (or almost all) are struggling to make ends meet. The solution is more racing, more meetings and the wheel spins ever faster. Yet the runners aren't there - despite a 3-month shutdown and fewer meetings, tomorrow's Newmarket card has just 51 runners in 8 races. I think the most successful racing jurisdiction is Hong Kong but the best operating model for NZ may be France. France Galop is a powerful lobbying force and racing is treated not as a sport but as an agricultural pursuit with all the advantages that flows from that - just a thought. Very good thoughts, Stodge, interesting - and thanks for taking the time to post. Unfortunately, clubs here have no power at all [ officially ] although the larger ones, especially those with 'influential' people on their committees, can and do push their agendas. The smaller ones just have to suck up what is thrown at them. Have you given any thought to Australian racing? As our closest neighbour, with a very successful model - at least in the two most populous states - that is possibly where we should be looking for examples...? Peter R S and nomates 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stodge 1,912 Report post Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Pam Robson said: Very good thoughts, Stodge, interesting - and thanks for taking the time to post. Unfortunately, clubs here have no power at all [ officially ] although the larger ones, especially those with 'influential' people on their committees, can and do push their agendas. The smaller ones just have to suck up what is thrown at them. Have you given any thought to Australian racing? As our closest neighbour, with a very successful model - at least in the two most populous states - that is possibly where we should be looking for examples...? Thanks for the response. I don't know enough about how Australian racing is organised but it seems each State has a degree of power and autonomy. There seems a degree of tension between Victoria and NSW to this observer but maybe I'm wrong. Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates 3,455 Report post Posted June 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Pam Robson said: Very good thoughts, Stodge, interesting - and thanks for taking the time to post. Unfortunately, clubs here have no power at all [ officially ] although the larger ones, especially those with 'influential' people on their committees, can and do push their agendas. The smaller ones just have to suck up what is thrown at them. Have you given any thought to Australian racing? As our closest neighbour, with a very successful model - at least in the two most populous states - that is possibly where we should be looking for examples...? Good luck today Pam , enjoy your return to racing and you get a return . Had a small nibble on your boy in the last , hope i haven't put to much extra weight on him . Baz (NZ), Pam Robson and Leggy 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates 3,455 Report post Posted June 27, 2020 3 hours ago, nomates said: Good luck today Pam , enjoy your return to racing and you get a return . Had a small nibble on your boy in the last , hope i haven't put to much extra weight on him . And BOOM , well done Pam , great way to start back , hope you got plenty . dock leaf, Baz (NZ), Pam Robson and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted June 27, 2020 9 hours ago, nomates said: Good luck today Pam , enjoy your return to racing and you get a return . Had a small nibble on your boy in the last , hope i haven't put to much extra weight on him . Congrats Pam!....wow great price! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates 3,455 Report post Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Baz (NZ) said: Congrats Pam!....wow great price! Thanx baz for reminding me i backed the wrong one out of the stable . Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,537 Report post Posted June 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, nomates said: Thanx baz for reminding me i backed the wrong one out of the stable . Just goes to show there are no rules....I rated the gelding too, but he ambled around showing no interest at all. A hurdle or two next week might spark a bit of enthusiasm! nomates, Memphis2 and Baz (NZ) 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates 3,455 Report post Posted June 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Pam Robson said: A hurdle or two next week might spark a bit of enthusiasm! Might be something to consider suggesting RITA/TAB exec's try . Huey, Baz (NZ) and Pam Robson 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, nomates said: Thanx baz for reminding me i backed the wrong one out of the stable . I did the same thing at Wanganui on Thursday! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...