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So Avondale still has its July 18th meeting ?

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50 minutes ago, slam dunk said:

Lets just get one thing straight. Avondale gets huge crowds and gets it every week.

Avondale facilities are excellent. Just because the huge crowd is not on raceday is immaterial. The fact is it gets a huge crowd. I scratch my head every time someone says the facilities are poor. They are as good as any.

Bloody expensive venue for some sort of farmers market once a week. I'm sure if the track is sold they can keep a bit of land and build some sort of shed to accommodate that market. Not sure that is is something the racing industry should be subsidising though. How many of the market people turn up to support the race meetings?

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13 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

Bloody expensive venue for some sort of farmers market once a week. I'm sure if the track is sold they can keep a bit of land and build some sort of shed to accommodate that market. Not sure that is is something the racing industry should be subsidising though. How many of the market people turn up to support the race meetings?

Is the racing industry subsidising the market? Or the market subsidising the racing industry?

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1 hour ago, slam dunk said:

Lets just get one thing straight. Avondale gets huge crowds and gets it every week.

Avondale facilities are excellent. Just because the huge crowd is not on raceday is immaterial. The fact is it gets a huge crowd. I scratch my head every time someone says the facilities are poor. They are as good as any.

Good point, apart from Ellerslie,Trentham, Riccarton, Te Rapa, perhaps Tauranga are the facilities at any other tracks worth raving about? 

I'm always surprised at how clubs like Avondale constantly get bagged for their facitlies, Te Aroha has a G1 day and the facilities there are hardly worth raving about.

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8 minutes ago, Huey said:

Good point, apart from Ellerslie,Trentham, Riccarton, Te Rapa, perhaps Tauranga are the facilities at any other tracks worth raving about? 

I'm always surprised at how clubs like Avondale constantly get bagged for their facitlies, Te Aroha has a G1 day and the facilities there are hardly worth raving about.

40,000 odd at Eden Park yesterday. What were the facilities and food like? Did they have to wait 40 minutes between halves or stay for more than a couple of hours to enjoy the event? Were there any oncourse tote operators, or if you wanted a bet did you use your phone? Did people arrive with a printed form guide in their back pocket? Looked like most had done their form beforehand and decided who they were rooting for.

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13 minutes ago, nomates said:

The only real question is " does the racing industry need Avondale the race track " .

IMO a resounding NO.

However it is a great piece of land for the community.....playing fields and green space , housing and a bigger better market and Housie every night if required.

Its no longer used for jumping races,while Auckland often gets a lot of rain in winter so no real advantage there.Their track last July was a good winter surface but the winter /early spring races the previous 2 x years were Heavy 11 with 1min 18 - 1 min 20 secs for 12oom.

One meeting last season was cancelled for lack of nominations.

The field size average is around national average 10.6 - 10.9.

Ellerslie was 10.9 last season...both have a lot of small fields , and Avondale mainly has minimum stakes.

 Avondale mainly has declining numbers of and poor dates ,mainly Wednesday and Thursday but that unlike to change and the betting is average at best when compared with most NZ courses.

As stated ,oncourse betting is very poor while off course is only average ditto export turnover.

Clubs with Saturday dates should be at least presented to provide reasonable experience.....Waikato needs their fair share ,thats where the horses are and if costs are a factor transport costs and time need to be minimised.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Leggy said:

40,000 odd at Eden Park yesterday. What were the facilities and food like? Did they have to wait 40 minutes between halves or stay for more than a couple of hours to enjoy the event? Were there any oncourse tote operators, or if you wanted a bet did you use your phone? Did people arrive with a printed form guide in their back pocket? Looked like most had done their form beforehand and decided who they were rooting for.

Probably a lot easier to stay at home in front of Tele but I had to go ...parked miles away , a slower than usual  gate entry for most ...a bit of small time entertainment ,a low flying plane with no flour bombs was the WOW factor ,an ovation for our Essential workers , a fun band ,a tug of war ,and a few racing bubbles. The other WOW moment was at the end when the kids were allowed onto the sacred turf to get close to players.Buying game food ,Chips ,hot dogs and expensive drinks is seen as part of the game experience.They offer a free flag.

But now days there is no form guide or program ,teams go on the screen prior to kick off. Hard to follow substitutions  and a lot whats happening.

But sadly no TAB outlets , better profits in food and clothing.Long queues in some stalls at halftime.Many buses transporting folk !

Its one of those events that everybody wanted to be at......during the day.

Better viewing at home but two well known teams including some household names and All Blacks !

43,100 paying customers....good facility !

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7 hours ago, Leggy said:

40,000 odd at Eden Park yesterday. What were the facilities and food like? Did they have to wait 40 minutes between halves or stay for more than a couple of hours to enjoy the event? Were there any oncourse tote operators, or if you wanted a bet did you use your phone? Did people arrive with a printed form guide in their back pocket? Looked like most had done their form beforehand and decided who they were rooting for.

Will they be back in those numbers over and over again,  without the Covid19 celebration atmosphere/BB debut??? 

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7 hours ago, tasman man 11 said:

IMO a resounding NO.

However it is a great piece of land for the community.....playing fields and green space , housing and a bigger better market and Housie every night if required.

Its no longer used for jumping races,while Auckland often gets a lot of rain in winter so no real advantage there.Their track last July was a good winter surface but the winter /early spring races the previous 2 x years were Heavy 11 with 1min 18 - 1 min 20 secs for 12oom.

One meeting last season was cancelled for lack of nominations.

The field size average is around national average 10.6 - 10.9.

Ellerslie was 10.9 last season...both have a lot of small fields , and Avondale mainly has minimum stakes.

 Avondale mainly has declining numbers of and poor dates ,mainly Wednesday and Thursday but that unlike to change and the betting is average at best when compared with most NZ courses.

As stated ,oncourse betting is very poor while off course is only average ditto export turnover.

Clubs with Saturday dates should be at least presented to provide reasonable experience.....Waikato needs their fair share ,thats where the horses are and if costs are a factor transport costs and time need to be minimised.

 

 

I agree on the Saturday dates,  but the clubs with 90% dates already have pretty good facilities & still no-one really goes.  This weekend should be a decent crowd cause it's the return of racing like Rugby, but it won't consistently go on like that, nor has it anything to do with anything NZTR or RITA have done, but I'm sure we'll read some PR fluff on it. 

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On 6/30/2020 at 12:32 PM, Proud Magpie said:

Ellerslie should shift their jumps races to Te Aroha and Waikato and sell the hill for $50M , they then can increase their remaining Group 1 races to a million dollar stake

Tell ya what maggie, why dont all NZ racing clubs sell all there land and just give up, so you can watch computer generated racing in your own little apartment everyday without leaving your own little box everyday....suit you good ay....and you will never have to smell a fresh piece of grass or horse manure again.

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Back in business

Racing Industry Transition Agency Releases Final 2020/21 Racing Calendar. Seven Meetings For Ruakaka - One In 2020 And Six In 2021.

RITA has made significant changes to its draft 2020/21 racing calendar by re-instating dates for Avondale (5), Forbury Park Trotting Club (10) and a raft of other harness dates such as Manawatu, Gore, Tauherenikau, Otaki, Roxburgh, Blenheim, Timaru, Marlborough and West Coast.

Race Meeting Allocation for Ruakaka Racecourse (full calendar below as PDF)

Wednesday 26th August 2020 - Thursday 7th Janaury 2021 - Wednesday 14th April & 5th May.
Saturdays 19th June; 3rd & 17th July.
 

The Club is very disappointed not to be allocated a meeting that could facilitate the successful event of the last two years -" Christmas at the Races" but pleased to see a return to monthly racing during the autumn and winter of 2021.

With sixty five horses in work at the track the local owners and trainers will be very pleased to see the August 26th mid-week meeting and the return of dates for Avondale, although having the first one (2nd September) only a week after Ruakaka will have them baffled.

RITA Communication To Racing Clubs 3rd July 2020.

The racing calendar for the 2020/21 season has been approved by the Racing Industry Transition Agency Dates Committee following consultation with the three racing codes, all racing clubs and recognised industry organisations (RIOs). 

The Committee is grateful for the constructive and comprehensive feedback received during the consultation process.

In approving the calendar, the Committee recognised the unprecedented pressure on the industry arising from the impact and continued uncertainty of COVID-19 and a determination to maximise revenue and reduce costs across the industry that are in the best interest of all of racing.

The key changes in the final calendar are:

  • Conditional reintroduction of five dates to Avondale Jockey Club and ten dates for the Forbury Park TC
  • Reintroduction of harness dates at Manawatu Raceway, Gore, Tauherenikau, Otaki, Roxburgh, Blenheim and Timaru venues
  • Venues that were scheduled in the draft to have no racing but now will are; Avondale, Forbury, Blenheim and Roxburgh
  • Marlborough (January) and West Coast (March) Harness dates reinstated
  • Increased dual code meetings in Central Districts, Otago and Southland regions
  • Increased number of Thoroughbred meetings from 273 to 278 and Harness meetings from 246 to 257 (including dual meetings). Greyhound meetings increased from 459 to 478 with new six race programs at both Forbury and Ascot Park.

In finalising the calendar, the Dates Committee recognised the development of regional plans for domestic racing would not only provide certainty for clubs and venues, but also help strengthen the viability of the industry in New Zealand’s regions. The Committee is supportive of proposals for clubs and codes to collaborate and develop plans for the future conduct of racing at a regional level. 

Licences allocated to the Avondale JC and Forbury Park TC are conditional on regional reviews of racing in the Auckland and Dunedin districts being completed by 31 December 2020.  This will allow the recommended outcomes of these reviews to be considered prior to the allocation of dates for the 21/22 season. RITA will also engage with the codes to ensure greater alignment with their future venue plans, including encouraging regional reviews to be undertaken in the Tasman, Mid Canterbury to North Otago and Southland regions. 

The calendar is also based on delivery racing in an efficient manner to maximise returns to the industry. Changes to the draft calendar allow for increased dual code race meetings, particularly with Central Districts harness and Otago/Southland greyhound meetings.

This approach will see cohesive regional strategies determined for the industry’s future venue footprint. Engagement with the industry through the dates consultation process has highlighted an appreciation of the need for change, however feedback was consistent on the desire for this to be addressed in a collaborative manner at a regional level.

While the Committee agrees with the widely held view the number of racing venues in New Zealand is unsustainable, in determining the racing dates for 2020/21, it has made no determination on the future of venues. This is a matter for clubs and racing codes and is now subject to a clear legislative process as part of the Racing Industry Act 2020 and aligned with the intent of the new Code-led model established by the Act. 

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2 hours ago, 100 1 said:

Back in business

Racing Industry Transition Agency Releases Final 2020/21 Racing Calendar. Seven Meetings For Ruakaka - One In 2020 And Six In 2021.

RITA has made significant changes to its draft 2020/21 racing calendar by re-instating dates for Avondale (5), Forbury Park Trotting Club (10) and a raft of other harness dates such as Manawatu, Gore, Tauherenikau, Otaki, Roxburgh, Blenheim, Timaru, Marlborough and West Coast.

Race Meeting Allocation for Ruakaka Racecourse (full calendar below as PDF)

Wednesday 26th August 2020 - Thursday 7th Janaury 2021 - Wednesday 14th April & 5th May.
Saturdays 19th June; 3rd & 17th July.
 

The Club is very disappointed not to be allocated a meeting that could facilitate the successful event of the last two years -" Christmas at the Races" but pleased to see a return to monthly racing during the autumn and winter of 2021.

With sixty five horses in work at the track the local owners and trainers will be very pleased to see the August 26th mid-week meeting and the return of dates for Avondale, although having the first one (2nd September) only a week after Ruakaka will have them baffled.

RITA Communication To Racing Clubs 3rd July 2020.

The racing calendar for the 2020/21 season has been approved by the Racing Industry Transition Agency Dates Committee following consultation with the three racing codes, all racing clubs and recognised industry organisations (RIOs). 

The Committee is grateful for the constructive and comprehensive feedback received during the consultation process.

In approving the calendar, the Committee recognised the unprecedented pressure on the industry arising from the impact and continued uncertainty of COVID-19 and a determination to maximise revenue and reduce costs across the industry that are in the best interest of all of racing.

The key changes in the final calendar are:

  • Conditional reintroduction of five dates to Avondale Jockey Club and ten dates for the Forbury Park TC
  • Reintroduction of harness dates at Manawatu Raceway, Gore, Tauherenikau, Otaki, Roxburgh, Blenheim and Timaru venues
  • Venues that were scheduled in the draft to have no racing but now will are; Avondale, Forbury, Blenheim and Roxburgh
  • Marlborough (January) and West Coast (March) Harness dates reinstated
  • Increased dual code meetings in Central Districts, Otago and Southland regions
  • Increased number of Thoroughbred meetings from 273 to 278 and Harness meetings from 246 to 257 (including dual meetings). Greyhound meetings increased from 459 to 478 with new six race programs at both Forbury and Ascot Park.

In finalising the calendar, the Dates Committee recognised the development of regional plans for domestic racing would not only provide certainty for clubs and venues, but also help strengthen the viability of the industry in New Zealand’s regions. The Committee is supportive of proposals for clubs and codes to collaborate and develop plans for the future conduct of racing at a regional level. 

Licences allocated to the Avondale JC and Forbury Park TC are conditional on regional reviews of racing in the Auckland and Dunedin districts being completed by 31 December 2020.  This will allow the recommended outcomes of these reviews to be considered prior to the allocation of dates for the 21/22 season. RITA will also engage with the codes to ensure greater alignment with their future venue plans, including encouraging regional reviews to be undertaken in the Tasman, Mid Canterbury to North Otago and Southland regions. 

The calendar is also based on delivery racing in an efficient manner to maximise returns to the industry. Changes to the draft calendar allow for increased dual code race meetings, particularly with Central Districts harness and Otago/Southland greyhound meetings.

This approach will see cohesive regional strategies determined for the industry’s future venue footprint. Engagement with the industry through the dates consultation process has highlighted an appreciation of the need for change, however feedback was consistent on the desire for this to be addressed in a collaborative manner at a regional level.

While the Committee agrees with the widely held view the number of racing venues in New Zealand is unsustainable, in determining the racing dates for 2020/21, it has made no determination on the future of venues. This is a matter for clubs and racing codes and is now subject to a clear legislative process as part of the Racing Industry Act 2020 and aligned with the intent of the new Code-led model established by the Act. 

These guys are just walking around in a darkened room bumping each other , making shit up on the hoof , then changing it when the lights get switched back on .

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On 6/30/2020 at 12:32 PM, Proud Magpie said:

Ellerslie should shift their jumps races to Te Aroha and Waikato and sell the hill for $50M , they then can increase their remaining Group 1 races to a million dollar stake

Why not?

They expect Avondale to sell up and add the money to the common pool. 
 

What’s the difference between the two clubs?

One rule for one and one rule for the other I would say. 

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Dean is way out of his depth.

He must take responsibility for this shambles.

There is no clear direction to  anything and can only get worse.

I've lost count of the number of new boards to be appointed.

Shambolic.

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