Protests upheld in major 2YO, 3YO, WFA and Handicap races in New Zealand?

[Ponderosa8 1,351]

On 5/16/2020 at 8:39 PM, gubellini said:

1980 Royal Stakes at Ellerslie winner Arethusa was relegated to third and Gay Sharon was promoted to first.

40 years on and it still irks me to this day...

That decision to relegate was far worse that the debacle also at Ellerslie a few months back with the Brendan and Jo Lyndsay horse (name escapes me at the moment).

[Ponderosa8 1,351]

8 hours ago, TurnipOrange said:

Should never have been given the race! I rode Gay Sharon 

I read Gubelline's initial post about Arethusa and it fired me up and I replied back to his post immediately, then kept reading the thread and came to your post.....hey you're not helping me get over it from 40 years ago.... ha ha

[Ponderosa8 1,351]

6 hours ago, Demophon said:

Arethusa being relegated was an absolute joke.  Clark of the course had his horse on the outside fence before the winning post and all horses contesting the race veered in with Arethusa copping the most interference and the stewards relegated her.  Almost as bad as the WA stewards and He Remarkable.

oh fcuk.... another one not helping me

[Baz (NZ) 1,722]

Could be wrong?

23/Feb/1985 ARC Eclipse S., Gr.3, 1200m. Star Board vs Bonecrusher

[Baz (NZ) 1,722]

Could be wrong again?

1985 Waikato Guineas ? Avon's Lord vs Hot Ice

[Baz (NZ) 1,722]

2 November 1985 GR.3 Rotorua Cup Joal vs Beaver Boy

[gubellini 3,993]

Baz correct about 1985 Eclipse Stakes at Ellerslie. Star Board was relegated to second and Bonecrusher promoted to first. 1985 Rotorua Cup Beaver Boy the winner was relegated to 6th but was reinstated on appeal.

[TurnipOrange 148]

13 hours ago, Ponderosa8 said:

I read Gubelline's initial post about Arethusa and it fired me up and I replied back to his post immediately, then kept reading the thread and came to your post.....hey you're not helping me get over it from 40 years ago.... ha ha

I ran her into the Clark of the Course, was the only was I was going to beat her, then she got back up and beat me, coudnt believe she would get up and beat me then have the race taken off her.

[Bradley 0]

Can I ask what happened with reykjavik?

[gubellini 3,993]

Bradley in the 1990 Wellington Cup Reykjavik was relegated from third to fifth. Grant Davison rode him. Final placings:

1. Flying Luskin Peter Johnson

2. Lord Mellay Lisa Cropp

3. All Nighter Grant Cooksley

4. Aquidity David Walsh.

[Ponderosa8 1,351]

1 hour ago, TurnipOrange said:

I ran her into the Clark of the Course, was the only was I was going to beat her, then she got back up and beat me, coudnt believe she would get up and beat me then have the race taken off her.

Whats bugging me now is who was the jockey of Gay Sharon (being you).   J P Hayes.?

[We're Doomed 4,855]

25 minutes ago, Bradley said:

Can I ask what happened with reykjavik?

It seems to be impossible to find replays or even reports of races from that era, but obviously Reykjavik was relegated for interference to the 5th horse. I recall thinking it was a very harsh decision at the time. He snuck through along the fence and ran third at long odds. There is never as much controversy when a long odds shot gets relegated. I think he was coming off a win in the Kumaru Nuggets. And back in those days the Wgtn Cup was worth $400,000. Back then who would have believed the race would be worth half that amount 30 years later.

The major reason for changing the relegation rules was because of the number of winners that were getting put back to 4th or 5th for "possibly" costing the 4th or 5th placegetter a change of finishing one place higher, but certainly not a winning chance. I can remember Kev's Boy getting put back to 4th or 5th after winning at Avondale one day. Beaver Boy of course interfered with the 6th horse and cost it a chance of running 5th and collecting a few hundred dollars.

The most bizarre result I can remember is when a dead-heating second placegetter protested again the winner and was successful. The dead heater was promoted to win the race by itself and I can't recall if the original winner ended up 3rd or in a dead-heat for 2nd. How you can logically split a dead-heat like that is beyond me. The relegated horse should have been placed behind both dead-heaters.

And don't forget of course some horses that weren't relegated when many people thought they should have been. I seem to recall Lance O'Sullivan knocking half the field over to win an Auckland Cup.

[Nukkledragga 229]

9 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

It seems to be impossible to find replays or even reports of races from that era, but obviously Reykjavik was relegated for interference to the 5th horse. I recall thinking it was a very harsh decision at the time. He snuck through along the fence and ran third at long odds. There is never as much controversy when a long odds shot gets relegated. I think he was coming off a win in the Kumaru Nuggets. And back in those days the Wgtn Cup was worth $400,000. Back then who would have believed the race would be worth half that amount 30 years later.

The major reason for changing the relegation rules was because of the number of winners that were getting put back to 4th or 5th for "possibly" costing the 4th or 5th placegetter a change of finishing one place higher, but certainly not a winning chance. I can remember Kev's Boy getting put back to 4th or 5th after winning at Avondale one day. Beaver Boy of course interfered with the 6th horse and cost it a chance of running 5th and collecting a few hundred dollars.

The most bizarre result I can remember is when a dead-heating second placegetter protested again the winner and was successful. The dead heater was promoted to win the race by itself and I can't recall if the original winner ended up 3rd or in a dead-heat for 2nd. How you can logically split a dead-heat like that is beyond me. The relegated horse should have been placed behind both dead-heaters.

And don't forget of course some horses that weren't relegated when many people thought they should have been. I seem to recall Lance O'Sullivan knocking half the field over to win an Auckland Cup.

The rule as I always understood it was a horse was never promoted after an enquiry only relegated so the correct result should have seen the dead heaters stay together as you say .ligiero was larnies horse, 

[gubellini 3,993]

Nukkledragga yes Reykjavik won the Kumara Nuggets by 7 lengths before the 1990 Wellington Cup. He started 14/15 in the betting in the Cup.

[Salesy 0]

On 5/17/2020 at 1:50 PM, Boss Hogg said:

Hi Gubs  I remember Owhata Chiefs race in 1976 we were there and had a decent bet on Owhata Chief owned by Jonn Sale and his family from Rotorua . Owhata Chief was coming home like a train and Thun just came out and stopped O C in his tracks .The protest was dismissed and at the presentation we were all yelling out that it was a fix andthey stopped the speaches till we stopped .By this time some so called security were up in the members stand and grabbed me  [Mr Innocent] and took me down stairs and locked me in a room, unbelieveable about 15minutes later came and asked do I know the owner of OC and the other people who were yelling I acted innocent I was dying for a piss by this stage  So they escorted me to the toilet FFS .They then took me in to the commitee room to apoligize to Arthur Hughes and all these suits standing there .I were then escorted off the course and given a 3 month ban ,  The good old days don't you love them  ,Cheers BH

That's a great story from the good old days.

I'm John Sale's son, born in 1988 so it was a bit before my time, but I grew up hearing all the stories of them travelling around NZ with the Chief. I'm now a couple years older than he was at the time, and it would of been an absolute blast. I can imagine them going off from the stands in 76, they would have been giving the stewards an absolute spray!

I came across this post as I'm just going through all Dad's old racing trophies which I'm storing for him over in Aussie and polishing them up and thought I'd google Owhata Chief to see what history is out there.

Still needs a bit more scrubbing, but here is a picture of the trophy from 1977 when they got revenge and beat Thun by 40 lengths:

 

Cheers,

Josh