RaceCafe..#1...Tipsters Thread.... Share Your Fancies For Fun...Lets See Who The Best Tipsters Here Are.
Barry Lichter

Axe set to fall on ​​​​​​​over-the-counter bets at our racetracks

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3 hours ago, nomates said:

Don't use Baker and Castles as examples of persons who should/could stand up and speak out , iv'e had plenty to do with both in regards racing matters , neither are forward thinkers of the industry , just another couple of sausage roll eaters in my opinion .

 

 

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Huge blow for older punters

Despite a massive migration of punters using the internet to bet, axing the phone service will be a huge blow to many people.

 While the TAB stopped taking phone betting through an operator on August 1, 2016 (except for VIPs and people with medical conditions) the TouchTone service continued to prove popular with millions of calls logged.

It has been a happy place for many of the mostly older people who like to bet small amounts - when the TAB earlierraised its minimum phone bet to $10, traffic through TouchTone doubled.

But the number of people betting through TouchTone has steadily been shrinking - in 2016 only 10,000 of the TAB’s then 250,000 customers regularly used it - and it, too, is now on its death bed.

 

Can anybody tell me if the shrinking use of phone betting started when Trackside got taken off Free to air TV?

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What a farking joke . Many of us like going to the races with a wallet full of cash and hopefully on a good day asking the tote operator to call for the security guard as more cash is needed after a decent collect . The excitement and occasion would be lost if it’s purely a digital transaction .

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Puha, they simply do not understand their market, I remember some  4 years ago at Shirley TAB a marketing guru, doing an in-depth TAB survey, asked me if I knew what a trifecta was, I looked at her and said no I don't and she said neither do I as I am a marketer

Ironically it was a question and response survey and the questionnaire had not a clue about the questions. 

Shitsville 

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As Ponderosa said imagine even on the very few days which have big crowds those terminals they are the most unuser friendly screens trying to understand how to place any variety of bets  on them. I hate coming back to NZ on holidays and having to place a bet at the local tab especially roving tri's or anything like that ...geez if they are going to do this please chuck them out and use the ones like we have In Melbourne even a 5 year old could use these and you can spend 50c on a quaddie for 1% if things are travelling that bad and have an interest..

Things will never change these people who are coming out making these bizarre decisions about cost cutting are destroying the only hope of showing off what product there is left to show and it ain't much. Imagine watching Wanganui in winter with one screen view, who's going to punt on that..

Will these so called decision makers for the betterment of the racing industry at least look at some of the views of fair dinkum racing people as discussed on this subject or is it the same old I get paid the big bucks to wear a suit so I'm Important and what I say goes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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what with paper jams and the once a year punter trying to understand how to place quinellas or any 

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37 minutes ago, puha said:

What a farking joke . Many of us like going to the races with a wallet full of cash and hopefully on a good day asking the tote operator to call for the security guard as more cash is needed after a decent collect . The excitement and occasion would be lost if it’s purely a digital transaction .

About 1990 the deposit voucher system was introduced and it was a godsend. Meant you didn't have to walk around bulging with cash. Function 13 on the machines.

Prior to that I would punt a horse in the last and cancel before the off. However that didn't go down well with racecourse detective. Most probably why they introduced the function 13.

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Puha raised a point about fifty minutes ago.  The highly paid ever so brilliant people at the Racing Board commissioned a market research outfit at big cost to, well, do what market researchers usually do; research the market.  I said big cost because I know how much those people charge.  So the highly paid ever so brilliant people, using their collective wisdom to the max hired market researchers who did not even know what a trifecta is.  They may have a good knowledge of differential calculus or the declension of Latin verbs or even a fluency in Swahili, but, for God's sake, they are researching the market for punters.

It is that sort of thing that helps us realise why the Racing Board went broke.

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8 minutes ago, Patiti said:

Slam Dunk

How will that work with self service machines only with $20 max probably.

Note acceptors at outlets reject a lot of notes making it very frustrating at times.

I really can't see where some of you are coming from. Apologies for being dismissive. But really what can be more simple. There aren't any note acceptors or dispensors. You come to the races with cash, bank card or even make withdrawal from TAB account. Bet all day with voucher and then cash up at the end of the day. At least that's the way I've doing for 30 years. 

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2 minutes ago, Patiti said:

How can you cash up a voucher if self service machines only.

Please Patiti. Just like the casino you go to the cashier. With a TAB you go to the operator. If no operators oncourse I'm sure the secretary will have something.

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The only way this is going to change is if the codes push back so we should all be contacting whoever we can and complaining. This is a nail in the coffin of racing

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10 minutes ago, busmart said:

The only way this is going to change is if the codes push back so we should all be contacting whoever we can and complaining. This is a nail in the coffin of racing

Really, For a first posting i'm not looking forward to the second. The machines with operators should have been dumped years ago. Back when there were no trebles, trifectas quaddies etc an operator was ok with 10 each way on number 7. Now with the multiples and percentages its ridiculous. Even the mark sense cards are old technology in that they are too complicated and annoying.

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larm bells have started ringing for racing industry stakeholders after revelations that projected returns from the New Zealand Racing Board are likely to be well down on those forecasted for the next few years.

In an address to the annual meeting of clubs in Christchurch, chairman Gary Allen said Harness Racing New Zealand had just received "an amended statement of corporate intent" from the NZRB which signalled there would be limited growth in funding for the next three years.

And he revealed that HRNZ would have to use $1 million of its $2.5m reserve fund this season to just maintain its present stake levels, which are already so low that trainers are struggling to keep their owners.

Allen said the board was aware of the financial pressures facing the industry and the need to at least maintain returns, but he warned that without extra funding, it would not be sustainable in future seasons.

The announcement came as a shock after the NZRB had signalled in its 2013 annual report that its strategic five-year goal was to increase its surplus from $142m to between $160m and $180m.

 

Not much has changed.

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5 hours ago, mike28 said:

this is the way everythings going anyway it will only be a matter of time before we cant use cash etc because it might spread the  virus and start another scamdemic. lines at the tote social distance and all that its already started theirs an ice cream shop at wgnt airport that doesnt exept cash ben and jerrys and that was before the virus its already happening.  over the counter bets over the counter anything probably wont exist for that much longer maybe another 10 years if were lucky probably less so no big deal. i will be sad to it see it go i can remember waiting by the tote as a young fella for dad but thats the reality

Why can’t you have tote operators and pay for your ticket with a debit card? 

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7 minutes ago, Trump said:

Why can’t you have tote operators and pay for your ticket with a debit card? 

Man this is hard going. Is it not too hard to see thats its crazy paying for each bet separately. We need to save costs so with oncourse betting no operators is the answer.

You pay for a voucher with debit card but you don't pay for the bet with debit card.

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1 minute ago, slam dunk said:

Man this is hard going. Is it not too hard to see thats its crazy paying for each bet separately. We need to save costs so with oncourse betting no operators is the answer.

You pay for a voucher with debit card but you don't pay for the bet with debit card.

Why can’t you pay for a bet with a debit card, ie, Tap and Go?

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