We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Alright, at a time like this I think we should have a positive thread, the good things in Racing, something to give us some hope. I am totally out of touch with the actual personalities these days, but can people list 10 or so highly capable and competent people involved in Racing management: club secretaries, code management, TAB management, trainers, breeders, jockeys, even perhaps a non racing person who has proven to be a brilliant manager. Who are the stars? Who could save the industry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Leo Molloy, Independent David Archer Owners Rep Tony Pike and Michael Pitman and Chris Wood, Trainers Reps Craig Grylls and Robert Hannam Jockeys Rep No Pollys Just a few to start with....Racing folk No Breeding Reps as that's another industry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, TurnyTom said: Leo Molloy, Independent David Archer Owners Rep Tony Pike and Michael Pitman and Chris Wood, Trainers Reps Craig Grylls and Robert Hannam Jockeys Rep No Pollys Just a few to start with....Racing folk No Breeding Reps as that's another industry To be honest, those trainers have been there all these years while things have deteriorated to this hopeless state. Virtually no industry body has done nothing to stop the incompetent RIB leadership for the last 20 years or so. Huey, napier, dock leaf and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: To be honest, those trainers have been there all these years while things have deteriorated to this hopeless state. Virtually no industry body has done nothing to stop the incompetent RIB leadership for the last 20 years or so. Put yours up, your thread tell us who you want Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, TurnyTom said: Put yours up, your thread tell us who you want As I said, I don't know many of the people involved these days. It was a serious thread. I was hoping those in the know would mention some people who might give us hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Well if you know few in the industry, you were very quick to dust my trainers - get real WRD, get real or don't bother Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,694 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 You need people like Leo but he would piss to many off as he tells it like it is...Mark Freeman is one guy who has a racing pedigree...loves racing and knows the system. I agree it needs to be RACING people who have an interest at least ... TurnyTom and We're Doomed 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenz 1,070 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Maybe a strike would help,no horses for racing unless a whole new setup Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Your onto it Leigh, but I suggest you need the very smart business guys like David Archer such talent not yet involved it amazes me - they have so much to offer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, TurnyTom said: Your onto it Leigh, but I suggest you need the very smart business guys like David Archer such talent not yet involved it amazes me - they have so much to offer Don't agree with your list. The place to extract the dollar is online so you need real guru's with great IT grounding. A combination of marketing, technical and racing. Your list is more atuned to actual racing rather than wagering and racing. wobbly 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Just now, slam dunk said: Don't agree with your list. The place to extract the dollar is online so you real guru's with great IT grounding. A combination of marketing, technical and racing. Your list is more atuned to actual racing rather than wagering and racing. With respect your people are the reason why we are where we are, I want racing people to lead - not IT, not wagering, not technical but your folk come in after and set up what Racing people demand, not ask - demand Tauhei Notts, arjay and nomates 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, TurnyTom said: With respect your people are the reason why we are where we are, I want racing people to lead - not IT, not wagering, not technical but your folk come in after and set up what Racing people demand, not ask - demand Thats the old formula. i can't think of any board member on either TAB or NZTR that has been strongly qualified in IT ever. So you are wrong. You have had lawyers, accountants, public servants, business leaders but never IT. The founder of Betfair once said "we are not a gambling company but rather a software company". I doubt Jeff Bezos had much retail experience yet look at Amazon now. Don't get me wrong I believe racing people should be there but where were they when average Joe blow could easily see what was wrong with the whole setup. arjay and wobbly 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, TurnyTom said: Well if you know few in the industry, you were very quick to dust my trainers - get real WRD, get real or don't bother I'm not quite sure what's getting you so excited. I said those trainers have been about for years and the trainers assoc has done nothing to bring racing into line, so I'm not sure how they are going to save things now. At least Scooby's suggestion Mark Freeman has the breeding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Good luck with that view SD, I suggest to you we are where we are because Racing folk have been isolated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: I'm not quite sure what's getting you so excited. I said those trainers have been about for years and the trainers assoc has done nothing to bring racing into line, so I'm not sure how they are going to save things now. At least Scooby's suggestion Mark Freeman has the breeding. Put your people up, stop your BS grandstanding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, TurnyTom said: Put your people up, stop your BS grandstanding You have no idea how hard I trying not to say fuck off Tom. barryb 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 You can say FO, I wouldn't be offended, but neither would I be educated - your input has been minimal, not an expert but an expert to cristise without offering anything, in my Boardrooms you would have been removed, promptly - no politics but why have a person in the room who offers nothing be it plus or minus Bye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Sack all the non-racing suits currently steering the Titanic and replace them with this lot to drive the Lifeboat.....take your pick! Nomates Mark Claydon Barry Lichter Brendon Lindsay Kevin Hickman Ray Green Luke Radich Leo Molloy Steve Hansen Peter V'landys John Messara Luke Kemeys Ted McLachlan Shaune Ritchie Craig Grylls Chris Wood Adrian Clark David Archer Michael Pitman Cameron George Steve Tindall Sam Morgan Wendy Pye Neil Davis Cubes Hone Harawira Any cast member from The Muppet Show Cubes 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Looks like a good cast for The Muppet Show though there's a couple on there that could actually be helpful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Are there anyone in the game with the brains to run the show - those with brains would have got out long before now, surely Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted May 11, 2020 Well done Doomed, you've managed to get such a great positive thread going We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...