Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Stables said: Trump, there has been millions and millions pumped into Australian racing by their Governments What? Not net. Have another look. What they've put back into racing is a small portion of the licence fees and income tax they pay on wagering which the NZ government and taxpayer gifts to NZ racing in its entirety. Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patiti 274 Report post Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, gubellini said: David Bennett was the Minister of Racing prior to Winston taking over in 2017. Also chair of the select committee. Real Waikato man with genuine interest in industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,064 Report post Posted May 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, Trump said: Correct. But the Australian Racing Industry has used the money on Infrastructure, upgraded tracks, new tracks, new facilities, equine welfare, increased Country and City Stakes etc etc. it has also received a lot of the money from where it is generated, ie, betting. What has NZ Racing done with the money they have received? What has the Industry done to “REDUCE” the huge costs it has allowed to escalate to where they are today? https://www.racing.com/news/2020-05-13/rsn-44m-package-assures-rv-stakes Stables 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 431 Report post Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Trump said: You just don’t get it. The Racing Minister has SFA to do with the running of racing. You can’t keep blaming the govt or the Racing Minister. Yes, they may have a part to play but it’s the Racing Industry itself that has to take responsibility. ...Where do you think winny got his $$$ from ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted May 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, jack said: ...Where do you think winny got his $$$ from ??? From cabinet by presenting them with fraudulent numbers? Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted May 13, 2020 SO YOU JUST HAVE ONE JOB LEFT AND THAT IS TO ALIENATE YOUR CUSTOMERS.............. AND THESE MEASURES COMPLETE THE JOB. THEY COULDN'T HAVE F%#@ED IT UP BETTER IF THEY HAD TRIED. GOM, We're Doomed, dock leaf and 3 others 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted May 13, 2020 THIS GUYS GOTTA BE WORTH AT LEAST $900K Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom 494 Report post Posted May 14, 2020 Great job Barry you nailed it with one glaring exception, the person who arguably contributed more to the clusterfuck than any other individual: GLENDA FUCKING HUGHES - she brought Allen... who brought the new website.... she must so proud. Midget, Memphis2, meomy and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:43 PM, jack said: ...Where do you think winny got his $$$ from ??? As a quid pro quo for Ardern to pacify Maori by funding Ihumatao maybe....?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jape 344 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 On 5/12/2020 at 6:23 AM, Pam Robson said: Can you enlighten me as to the reason for the change and dissolution of the two bodies with the 2003 Act? I possibly had a vague idea at the time, but its vanished.....thanks! Seems bizarre with such a good Report. I was on the NZGRA Executive when the Racing Bill was formed and discussed so was not really privy to the what, the why and the whatever. I had to relinquish that position when I was appointed to the TAB and at that point it was assumed that the Bill would become the Act within weeks or at most a couple of months. Things can take their time in Parliament and Racing is rarely a high priority. (It never ceases to amaze me that the politicians are so unaware of the amount of money that racing puts into the Government's coffers, for very little input, as well as boosting the pay packets of some thousands of employees. And their tax take). I do remember that the RIB did not seem as tight a group as the TAB certainly was. More than twice the number of people and some personality clashes. Maybe a code disagreement or two as well. But none of that would have suggested to me that Racing was necessarily going to be "improved" by the abolition of the RIB and the TAB Boards. The old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind. There was a period when merging and amalgamation became the new norm - remember the Local Councils? - and I suspect Racing came into this category. The resulting RB (Racing Board) bore no resemblance in personnel to what had gone before and that was Mistake Number 1. Add some awful appointments and then some wagering decisiona including taking Trackside off Free-to-Air and the downward slide was underway. Somehow it became a scree slope. meomy, GOM, Midget and 1 other 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,866 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Jape said: I was on the NZGRA Executive when the Racing Bill was formed and discussed so was not really privy to the what, the why and the whatever. I had to relinquish that position when I was appointed to the TAB and at that point it was assumed that the Bill would become the Act within weeks or at most a couple of months. Things can take their time in Parliament and Racing is rarely a high priority. (It never ceases to amaze me that the politicians are so unaware of the amount of money that racing puts into the Government's coffers, for very little input, as well as boosting the pay packets of some thousands of employees. And their tax take). I do remember that the RIB did not seem as tight a group as the TAB certainly was. More than twice the number of people and some personality clashes. Maybe a code disagreement or two as well. But none of that would have suggested to me that Racing was necessarily going to be "improved" by the abolition of the RIB and the TAB Boards. The old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind. There was a period when merging and amalgamation became the new norm - remember the Local Councils? - and I suspect Racing came into this category. The resulting RB (Racing Board) bore no resemblance in personnel to what had gone before and that was Mistake Number 1. Add some awful appointments and then some wagering decisiona including taking Trackside off Free-to-Air and the downward slide was underway. Somehow it became a scree slope. That was when racing was going down the road of getting outsiders in to run everything, on the assumption they were more intelligent than racing people. And they had to have their quota of women as well, culminating in the shotputter of course. None of those theories proved successful of course, as the industry ultimately found out to its great cost. Somewhere along the line the concept that racing was club based and the racing conferences and racing board, under its many names, were elected to run the industry for the benefit of all participants was abandoned and we have ended up with unelected officials with no skin in the game telling the actual racing people what to do. These unelected "managers" can just clear their desk and leave for greener pastures when everything turns to custard, but actual racing people don't have that luxury. dock leaf, Midget, meomy and 1 other 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,551 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Jape said: I was on the NZGRA Executive when the Racing Bill was formed and discussed so was not really privy to the what, the why and the whatever. I had to relinquish that position when I was appointed to the TAB and at that point it was assumed that the Bill would become the Act within weeks or at most a couple of months. Things can take their time in Parliament and Racing is rarely a high priority. (It never ceases to amaze me that the politicians are so unaware of the amount of money that racing puts into the Government's coffers, for very little input, as well as boosting the pay packets of some thousands of employees. And their tax take). I do remember that the RIB did not seem as tight a group as the TAB certainly was. More than twice the number of people and some personality clashes. Maybe a code disagreement or two as well. But none of that would have suggested to me that Racing was necessarily going to be "improved" by the abolition of the RIB and the TAB Boards. The old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind. There was a period when merging and amalgamation became the new norm - remember the Local Councils? - and I suspect Racing came into this category. The resulting RB (Racing Board) bore no resemblance in personnel to what had gone before and that was Mistake Number 1. Add some awful appointments and then some wagering decisiona including taking Trackside off Free-to-Air and the downward slide was underway. Somehow it became a scree slope. Appreciate the reply, thanks. meomy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 431 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Ohokaman said: As a quid pro quo for Ardern to pacify Maori by funding Ihumatao maybe....?? Sarcasm or Racism....me thinks the later...Typical rhetoric of are National party Die hard!! Stables 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Phantom said: Great job Barry you nailed it with one glaring exception, the person who arguably contributed more to the clusterfuck than any other individual: GLENDA FUCKING HUGHES - she brought Allen... who brought the new website.... she must so proud. Well done as you have nailed where the blame should rightly fall. Greg Midget, Insider and meomy 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 2003, that's when Helen Clark & Labour Gvt were in power isn't it? Same pack of incompetents as now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Well done as you have nailed where the blame should rightly fall. Greg 1 hour ago, We're Doomed said: That was when racing was going down the road of getting outsiders in to run everything, on the assumption they were more intelligent than racing people. And they had to have their quota of women as well, culminating in the shotputter of course. None of those theories proved successful of course, as the industry ultimately found out to its great cost. Somewhere along the line the concept that racing was club based and the racing conferences and racing board, under its many names, were elected to run the industry for the benefit of all participants was abandoned and we have ended up with unelected officials with no skin in the game telling the actual racing people what to do. These unelected "managers" can just clear their desk and leave for greener pastures when everything turns to custard, but actual racing people don't have that luxury. 2003, Isn't that when Helen Clark was Prime Minister isn't it? Same s**t different year and the left wingers are still f*£*omg the economy. Roll on the election. There must be some of you out here in Racecafe who could put yourselves out there and stand for Parliament to flip the rubbish on it's head & where it belongs, on the fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, jack said: Sarcasm or Racism....me thinks the later...Typical rhetoric of are National party Die hard!! Not at all Jack, that was the bully apparently. I’m in Northland mate, no racism up here..... We're Doomed and GOM 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 431 Report post Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 11:08 AM, Ohokaman said: As a quid pro quo for Ardern to pacify Maori by funding Ihumatao maybe....?? I`m in The Eastern Bay Of Plenty ... Nowhere near Ihumatao ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted May 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, jack said: I`m in The Eastern Bay Of Plenty ... Nowhere near Ihumatao ... Relevant how...?? Ardern wanted funding for it, Winston got his racing money...not hard to understsnd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewandjo 129 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 2:54 PM, meomy said: Roll on the election. where National will get smashed Memphis2 and TurnyTom 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 On 5/18/2020 at 6:24 PM, drewandjo said: where National will get smashed No way, Labour are out the door, as sounds like Simon Bridges. Wasn't there a Luxton who was in Nats a few years back who was pro racing? Just wondering if it was if Chris Luxton is related... We used to have more MP's who were proactive within Racing in the 1980's, it would be great to see a lot more involved who are passionate about our industry.There must be a few here in Racecafe, or their associates in the industry, who would be good to be in politics to sort the rubbish out that's currently in the Primary school yard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 You were tolerable when posting on the This Is serious People theme, now you are popping up all over the place with your nonsense posts Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,560 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 58 minutes ago, meomy said: No way, Labour are out the door, as sounds like Simon Bridges. Wasn't there a Luxton who was in Nats a few years back who was pro racing? Just wondering if it was if Chris Luxton is related... We used to have more MP's who were proactive within Racing in the 1980's, it would be great to see a lot more involved who are passionate about our industry.There must be a few here in Racecafe, or their associates in the industry, who would be good to be in politics to sort the rubbish out that's currently in the Primary school yard Bridges most likely, however National would currently be at 100 to 1 to win the election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Idolmite said: Bridges most likely, however National would currently be at 100 to 1 to win the election. Like to know where you can get 100/1 Idolmite? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,961 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 $5? All you ‘Nats’ out there, get on. As always, you are always right and the rest of us wrong. This is your big chance to win all ways. TurnyTom, nomates and meomy 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...