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On 5/6/2020 at 8:03 PM, poundforpound said:

Let me give you a clue 

Anyone left in charge of other people’s money ( read Labour or lefties ) will invariably keep spending the other people’s money until it runs out ..... there’s a life lesson right there .....if the TAB was listed on the NZX and accountable to shareholders, or if it had competition, this would almost certainly never have happened, but it wasn’t, and it has.

You're seeing the exact same thing happen with our country Liz ... inefficiencies and left wing loonies on a drunken narcissistic spending spree that those of us who are productive tax generators will spend the next twenty years paying for 

Budget Week coming up, PfP.

At what stage will the CoL begin hammering souls like you and me with increased tax brackets to pay for their wrecking of the economy (some of it seemingly illegal) when it is apparent that they could have dealt with this pandemic just as effectively by:

Closing the borders immediately. Not, like, waiting until even Jacinda realised her Mother Teresa act re the Christchurch Mosque Commemorations wasn't gonna happen

Locking down all the facilities with aged residents/patients.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Disillusioned said:

Budget Week coming up, PfP.

At what stage will the CoL begin hammering souls like you and me with increased tax brackets to pay for their wrecking of the economy (some of it seemingly illegal) when it is apparent that they could have dealt with this pandemic just as effectively by:

Closing the borders immediately. Not, like, waiting until even Jacinda realised her Mother Teresa act re the Christchurch Mosque Commemorations wasn't gonna happen

Locking down all the facilities with aged residents/patients.

 

 

Disillusioned, isn’t  hindsight a wonderful attribute?

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3 hours ago, Insider said:

Disillusioned, isn’t  hindsight a wonderful attribute?

I think the general consensus in the early stages when thousands of people were coming back to NZ and told to self isolate wasn’t going to work . JA s reasoning was that couldn’t isolate 40 k .Well if they truly went hard  army type barracks tents ect could of been set up near the airport and those coming home were given this only option till they were cleared . Would of been a mission  to achieve but maybe the country’s lockdown could of been avoided ? 

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TAB to cut 30% of it's staff!

well we all know from past experience that the TAB is not that flash with it's arithmetic eg- bonus bets stuff up and their annual reporting figures (as us good guys say "smoke and mirrors")

so what they are probably going to do is cut their 700+ employees by 30 ;)

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3 hours ago, Insider said:

Disillusioned, isn’t  hindsight a wonderful attribute?

Sure is, Insider.

Do I take it that you never retrospectively critique any actions of yours?

Me, I always go back - especially when things didn't turn out as I'd hoped/wished - and review what decision processes I went through so as to ascertain where I went wrong, what information I either didn't obtain/ignored.

And even when things so spectacularly well, it never hurts to investigate what reasons you came up with for making your spectacularly-successful action!

Therein, I find, lies wisdom.

 

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17 minutes ago, von Smallhaussen said:

TAB to cut 30% of it's staff!

well we all know from past experience that the TAB is not that flash with it's arithmetic eg- bonus bets stuff up and their annual reporting figures (as us good guys say "smoke and mirrors")

so what they are probably going to do is cut their 700+ employees by 30 ;)

von, you can do anything with statistics!

Remember the CoL trumpeting that they had increased police numbers by, what was it?, 1800?

When all they had done was 'cover' the numbers lost to resignations/retirements/jailings and that the actual increase was considerably less!

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4 minutes ago, Disillusioned said:

von, you can do anything with statistics!

Remember the CoL trumpeting that they had increased police numbers by, what was it?, 1800?

When all they had done was 'cover' the numbers lost to resignations/retirements/jailings and that the actual increase was considerably less!

I don't think they will be covering up this one, they don't have a choice the place is broke savings will have to be be made.

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The real issues are two fold in respect of staff losses. The first is that under a new look regime and protocol, what staff are not needed on voyage? Horrible thing to say as we're discussing people's lives but there are some resources that simply don't have a place going forward. 

The second is the cretins further up the food chain who feather their own political nests in order to hold onto their positions but their lack of skill completely justifies letting them go at this time. It is this group that I think is the most important as they generally are the highest paid and the most ineffective. 

Whoever signed the agreement in relation to the FOB platform probably needs to go. Whoever has been running Trackside needs to go. Whoever has been responsible for the creation of the presentation for the racing data probably needs to go. Who ever was responsible for employing these three people probably needs to go.

I would run a very simple exercise right now while RITA has the opportunity. I would ask all the senior staff to independently submit a plan in their own department as to how they would run their departments with 50% of the people and what would I be receiving for that. I would then ask them to submit plans for how everyone else would run their departments (including my own), if they felt something was run badly. Let everyone know that all submissions are confidential so that fingers could be pointed if required, without later recourse.

Get everyone to do it and you would quickly know which ones to keep.

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12 minutes ago, Berri said:

Whoever signed the agreement in relation to the FOB platform probably needs to go.

Gone already thanks to current RITA board

 

13 minutes ago, Berri said:

I would ask all the senior staff to independently submit a plan in their own department as to how they would run their departments with 50% of the people

May well have already occurred in some shape or form

 

Greg

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30 minutes ago, Berri said:

The real issues are two fold in respect of staff losses. The first is that under a new look regime and protocol, what staff are not needed on voyage? Horrible thing to say as we're discussing people's lives but there are some resources that simply don't have a place going forward. 

The second is the cretins further up the food chain who feather their own political nests in order to hold onto their positions but their lack of skill completely justifies letting them go at this time. It is this group that I think is the most important as they generally are the highest paid and the most ineffective. 

Whoever signed the agreement in relation to the FOB platform probably needs to go. Whoever has been running Trackside needs to go. Whoever has been responsible for the creation of the presentation for the racing data probably needs to go. Who ever was responsible for employing these three people probably needs to go.

I would run a very simple exercise right now while RITA has the opportunity. I would ask all the senior staff to independently submit a plan in their own department as to how they would run their departments with 50% of the people and what would I be receiving for that. I would then ask them to submit plans for how everyone else would run their departments (including my own), if they felt something was run badly. Let everyone know that all submissions are confidential so that fingers could be pointed if required, without later recourse.

Get everyone to do it and you would quickly know which ones to keep.

A simple quiz on Wagering/Racing/Sports would out most of them. 

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17 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Gone already thanks to current RITA board

 

May well have already occurred in some shape or form

 

Greg

As we all know who signed off but what about the board behind him that let it happen they would have to be as naive as he was just dumb

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33 minutes ago, Berri said:

The real issues are two fold in respect of staff losses. The first is that under a new look regime and protocol, what staff are not needed on voyage? Horrible thing to say as we're discussing people's lives but there are some resources that simply don't have a place going forward. 

The second is the cretins further up the food chain who feather their own political nests in order to hold onto their positions but their lack of skill completely justifies letting them go at this time. It is this group that I think is the most important as they generally are the highest paid and the most ineffective. 

Whoever signed the agreement in relation to the FOB platform probably needs to go. Whoever has been running Trackside needs to go. Whoever has been responsible for the creation of the presentation for the racing data probably needs to go. Who ever was responsible for employing these three people probably needs to go.

I would run a very simple exercise right now while RITA has the opportunity. I would ask all the senior staff to independently submit a plan in their own department as to how they would run their departments with 50% of the people and what would I be receiving for that. I would then ask them to submit plans for how everyone else would run their departments (including my own), if they felt something was run badly. Let everyone know that all submissions are confidential so that fingers could be pointed if required, without later recourse.

Get everyone to do it and you would quickly know which ones to keep.

For purely selfish reasons, and I know it's nothing remotely major, but it irritates me enormously for some reason, I think the first person to go should be the one who changes the stakes of all Australian races into NZ Dollars on our form guides. They think NZ punters are too thick to realise Australians race for Australian dollars. And then they change any NZ races stakes for NZ horses in those Aussie races to a different random figure as well, despite all other dollar amounts being converted to NZ dollars.

I know it is a miniscule item in the overall scheme of things, but I do feel it shows how out of touch they are. Phew! My morning rant.

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16 minutes ago, Crow said:

As we all know who signed off but what about the board behind him that let it happen they would have to be as naive as he was just dumb

Which is why i raised it earlier , Glenda and Co have a lot to answer for.She in conjunction with rest of previous NZRB board should hang their heads in shame. For your interest here is the full list.

Glenda Hughes (Independent Chair), Rod Croon (Harness Code nominee), Greg McCarthy (Thoroughbred Code nominee), Mauro Barsi (Greyhound Code nominee), Alistair Ryan (Independent Member), Graham Cooney (Independent Member) and Barry Brown (Independent Member).

 

Greg

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2 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Which is why i raised it earlier , Glenda and Co have a lot to answer for.She in conjunction with rest of previous NZRB board should hang their heads in shame. For your interest here is the full list.

Glenda Hughes (Independent Chair), Rod Croon (Harness Code nominee), Greg McCarthy (Thoroughbred Code nominee), Mauro Barsi (Greyhound Code nominee), Alistair Ryan (Independent Member), Graham Cooney (Independent Member) and Barry Brown (Independent Member).

 

Greg

As has been said many times before, the 'independent " appointees haven't really been a great success in racing. It is hard to believe actual racing people could have done any worse. At least they would have had some passion for the game.

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1 hour ago, Berri said:

The real issues are two fold in respect of staff losses. The first is that under a new look regime and protocol, what staff are not needed on voyage? Horrible thing to say as we're discussing people's lives but there are some resources that simply don't have a place going forward. 

The second is the cretins further up the food chain who feather their own political nests in order to hold onto their positions but their lack of skill completely justifies letting them go at this time. It is this group that I think is the most important as they generally are the highest paid and the most ineffective. 

Whoever signed the agreement in relation to the FOB platform probably needs to go. Whoever has been running Trackside needs to go. Whoever has been responsible for the creation of the presentation for the racing data probably needs to go. Who ever was responsible for employing these three people probably needs to go.

I would run a very simple exercise right now while RITA has the opportunity. I would ask all the senior staff to independently submit a plan in their own department as to how they would run their departments with 50% of the people and what would I be receiving for that. I would then ask them to submit plans for how everyone else would run their departments (including my own), if they felt something was run badly. Let everyone know that all submissions are confidential so that fingers could be pointed if required, without later recourse.

Get everyone to do it and you would quickly know which ones to keep.

My brother in law worked for fonterra in wellington and was asked to provide a business plan  which he refused to do because he knew that it was to be implemented by the auckland based inferior replacements, as they were all being made redundant.This shakeup will see all the good workers jump ship , they will not help if they do not have a secure job,It is a waste of time trying to test for the best, if you havent identified them already then what have you been doing?.Get out the axe and start chopping and give the leftovers a simple secure plan for the future.Time is of the essence.

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1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:

For purely selfish reasons, and I know it's nothing remotely major, but it irritates me enormously for some reason, I think the first person to go should be the one who changes the stakes of all Australian races into NZ Dollars on our form guides. They think NZ punters are too thick to realise Australians race for Australian dollars. And then they change any NZ races stakes for NZ horses in those Aussie races to a different random figure as well, despite all other dollar amounts being converted to NZ dollars.

I know it is a miniscule item in the overall scheme of things, but I do feel it shows how out of touch they are. Phew! My morning rant.

They definitely have a very low opinion of NZ punters , i think their vision is we are all shaking , desperate for the next fix betting addicts just waiting for the next non descript USA/Korean race . 

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3 hours ago, von Smallhaussen said:

TAB to cut 30% of it's staff!

well we all know from past experience that the TAB is not that flash with it's arithmetic eg- bonus bets stuff up and their annual reporting figures (as us good guys say "smoke and mirrors")

so what they are probably going to do is cut their 700+ employees by 30 ;)

29 Trackside staff, 1 sacrificial lamb from Head Office :rcfe-laughing:

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2 hours ago, Berri said:

I would run a very simple exercise right now while RITA has the opportunity. I would ask all the senior staff to independently submit a plan in their own department as to how they would run their departments with 50% of the people and what would I be receiving for that. I would then ask them to submit plans for how everyone else would run their departments (including my own), if they felt something was run badly. Let everyone know that all submissions are confidential so that fingers could be pointed if required, without later recourse.

Isn't that what they reportedly did, except 30% not 50%?

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6 minutes ago, Leggy said:

Isn't that what they reportedly did, except 30% not 50%?

Would the senior staff suggest trimming excessive wages for senior staff

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10 minutes ago, mikenz said:

Would the senior staff suggest trimming excessive wages for senior staff

I would assume so if they have not already happened but they've gone into silent mode on this until the end of the month, so we can not know.

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2 hours ago, JJ Flash said:

Which is why i raised it earlier , Glenda and Co have a lot to answer for.She in conjunction with rest of previous NZRB board should hang their heads in shame. For your interest here is the full list.

Glenda Hughes (Independent Chair), Rod Croon (Harness Code nominee), Greg McCarthy (Thoroughbred Code nominee), Mauro Barsi (Greyhound Code nominee), Alistair Ryan (Independent Member), Graham Cooney (Independent Member) and Barry Brown (Independent Member).

 

Greg

Everyone knows RITA was left with a mess.  Total mess.  That is why a Transitional Board (RITA) was brought in for a charge.  A board of successful personnel with racing knowledge was brought on to drive this change.  Everyone was excited about the future.

In my humble opinion, the only way to drive the industry forward is:

  • Grow punting dollar (THIS CURRENT PLATFORM WILL NOT DO THAT)
  • Return to owners (FFS, WE DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE ARE RACING FOR NEXT YEAR).

The two above items are not mutually exclusive.

Fix those two items and the rest will fix itself.

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2 hours ago, shaneMcAlister said:

Everyone knows RITA was left with a mess.  Total mess.  That is why a Transitional Board (RITA) was brought in for a charge.  A board of successful personnel with racing knowledge was brought on to drive this change.  Everyone was excited about the future.

In my humble opinion, the only way to drive the industry forward is:

  • Grow punting dollar (THIS CURRENT PLATFORM WILL NOT DO THAT)
  • Return to owners (FFS, WE DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE ARE RACING FOR NEXT YEAR).

The two above items are not mutually exclusive.

Fix those two items and the rest will fix itself.

Sums things up pretty well !

The only growth area in punting was SPORTS betting which was the main reason the new Platform was introduced.

Sports Betting has a lower yield /margin for the TAB which is significant.

Also the Sports people are crying out for more commissions and the Government highly likely to agree.

The TAB has always appeared to be under control of Government ,this likely to continue as Racing /TAB awaits a big handout to survive !

Though the TAB could survive very nicely without NZ Racing......Sports betting and Overseas Racing would be just fine !

In short term , punting unlikely to increase........the $200 mill pa Operating Exp need to be slashed !!!

I expect this will be significant ,in wages / salaries and outside broadcasting fees etc.

Stakes......

Seems logical too if savings warrant it , less meetings ,less courses.

IMO code funding should require clubs to contribute more ...tough as many run by mainly volunteers.

Return to Owners...its been lousy so some improvement would be preferable ,but still will be among worst in world...Kiwis resilient.

Staff numbers at Rita......these must include over 400 Tote and TAB workers......RITA doing everything possible it seems to get people betting digital/on line.

TABs main purpose is the small punter , and the fact that over 40 x TAB's house the profitable Pokies.

Sell the RIU and get them to charge the clubs individually.

More costs direct to Clubs but survival of the fittest !

Desperate times call for desperate measures..........

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5 hours ago, Crow said:

As we all know who signed off but what about the board behind him that let it happen they would have to be as naive as he was just dumb

A fundamental change is required. The whole governance, management structure is based on pre internet times. Most posters on here would have a far greater understanding of the industry than those recruited. Since TAB does not have direct competition in NZ therefore  opening up management and decision making to all interested parties in an open forum whilst radical is logical and feasible.

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