Barry Lichter 179 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 https://www.lincolnfarms.co.nz/stories/auckland-and-addington-harness-get-8500-minimums-but-elsewhere-its-down-to-7000/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie 326 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 And all T/B races in July will be $15,000 Are we the poor relations? Mikie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mikie said: And all T/B races in July will be $15,000 Are we the poor relations? Mikie Basically reflects the betting. Gallops does more than twice that of Harness. In recent years Harness code funding from the TAB ,on pure betting numbers , has been more than may have been earned thru betting only. Harness fans need to bet more ! Clashing Addington and Alex Park on a Friday night against each other may not be the best for turnover !This probably being looked at going on the dates scheduled for when Harness resumes but unsure if Thursdays will be a game changer. What is best date after Friday night ? Saturday night , Sunday day or Thursday night or any others ? Overseas Harness not popular on TV.....is this the time ,the tracks or Horses racing ? We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 A pretty good starting point in my opinion tasman man 11 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJESTIC 182 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 With regard to Auckland stakes they were so high prior to Covid19 reason being that they were trying to be the big boy and would not have been substantiated in the long term. Just look at their field sizes not like their southern and deep southern counterparts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, MAJESTIC said: With regard to Auckland stakes they were so high prior to Covid19 reason being that they were trying to be the big boy and would not have been substantiated in the long term. Just look at their field sizes not like their southern and deep southern counterparts. Oh dear Majestic.......please read up on the 'Saga of the Apartments". That 'punt' was to try and future proof the sport in North. For a number of reasons it 'turned to custard'......IF better planned and managed it MAY have future proofed the sport up North where costs of taking part much higher. Not a case of being the big boy ! Field sizes in south are great ,but they of little use when the TAB goes broke , and Southerners need to bet more to justify stakes. Southern owners ,and I one of them , certainly lose more thru our sheer numbers. We either wealthy , resilient or just plain stupid ? You? Hunter the punter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 Who's going broke first Tasman Man? 1. TAB 2. RITA 3. ATC 4. HRNZ john legend and Hunter the punter 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterEd 328 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 ATC will go first. The hole is bigger than everybody thought. The TAB is RITA and they will get a Govt bailout. HRNZ will be last to collapse in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted May 1, 2020 HRNZ will not collapse Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,095 Report post Posted May 1, 2020 Surely this is also an opportunity to fine tune race numbers and intervals. Five to six hours of an evening wont get people on course, theres too much else happening. International rugby takes 80 minutes, two and a half hours with coming and going and people flock to them. No reason why races cant be run at tighter intervals or is this at the behest of tv and Aussie racing. People want action. Time lags make for boredom. Boredom leads to non attendance and loss of interest which the industry can I'll afford. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted May 1, 2020 Been saying this for ages, Blue & only answer I can get is "TAB tell us when to race". No one in authority has had the kahunas to query the TAB. Day racing is 40 minutes between races. TAB say they have to fit in all racing, NZ, Australia and everywhwere else. What garbage. If a race closes as 7 pm then they close the tote at 7 pm - why wait for a race in back of beyond. They have 2 channels and anyone wanting to watch an offshore race surely wouldnt mind waiting for TV replay 5 minutes after the event when they can fit it in. But you are right Blue - NOW is the time to experiment with such matters. But you can guarantee it will be the same old same old when programmes released. Those free brekkies must be very tasty! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie 326 Report post Posted May 2, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 11:19 PM, tasman man 11 said: Oh dear Majestic.......please read up on the 'Saga of the Apartments". That 'punt' was to try and future proof the sport in North. For a number of reasons it 'turned to custard'......IF better planned and managed it MAY have future proofed the sport up North where costs of taking part much higher. Not a case of being the big boy ! Field sizes in south are great ,but they of little use when the TAB goes broke , and Southerners need to bet more to justify stakes. Southern owners ,and I one of them , certainly lose more thru our sheer numbers. We either wealthy , resilient or just plain stupid ? You? To be fair Tasman Man there is a saying that "the tail (likes) to wag the dog" From my experience it has never been the case that the South Island wants to do the wagging It has always been the South Island representatives spending a lot of time trying to stop the ATC representatives from doing the wagging They did seem to think that their Stake levels made them the most important That shouldn't be a problem now should it? Mikie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted May 2, 2020 Come 1 August will Auckland get any Fridays or will Addington's dreams come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie 326 Report post Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, eljay said: Come 1 August will Auckland get any Fridays or will Addington's dreams come true What a half-arsed comment Eljay I'm sure Addington don't have dreams of solus Fridays However perhaps us in the Industry should have such dreams, as it is T/O that dictates our share of any TAB profit Now is the time for ATC to say, hey let's go back to Saturday nights It will not take off instantly, the trial they had a couple of seasons ago proved that, but their T/O's on a Saturday can't be lower than what they have been doing on a Friday I have been told what it was on a Friday but I'm loath to quote the figure, because it was so low that I had trouble believing it You're closer to the action Eljay, tell us what the Friday night Off-course T/O is? Mikie lamour 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted May 2, 2020 I honestly don't know what their (or Addington's) turnover is on a Friday or any other night for that matter. I certainly am in favour of Saturday. When I look at this 2-3 month date schedule it doesn't look like much thought or "sense of adventure" played a part. Same week after week. My guess would be however the worst night of the week would be Monday followed by Wednesday so why put the north on a Wednesday to make way for the freezing south is beyond comprehension. But then that's only my half-arsed thoughts Mikie! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted May 2, 2020 Eljay, would add to Going Broke list perhaps top of list' cluster' of trainers.as opportunities to race reduced or extinguished (Manawatu) .Believe it or not many trainers have big investments in purpose built properties in areas throughout NZ. Hunter the punter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted May 3, 2020 I suggest they sell up or retire, racing will never return to the Manawatu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted May 3, 2020 stables ,I wondered about you and being kind is the current motto, BUT you really are a muppet.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hunter the punter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted May 3, 2020 If your argument is weak, resort to insults Hunter the punter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
