Travel Restrictions for Horses

[jeepers 276]

Why the hell has Ardern placed travel restrictions on horses around NZ and/or across the Tasman. FFS horses cant get the virus.

Here in Aust we can still move horses about with the Transport companies.I have moved a stallion from Queensland to Victoria no problem. I have mares in NZ and weanlings that I want to move to Australia as it is costing an arm and a leg leaving them at studs in New Zealand,and once the ban is lifted they will be coming to Aust. anyway. Wonder if I could make a claim against the NZ Govt for the extra costs I am being faced with?

[nomates 3,609]

4 minutes ago, jeepers said:

Why the hell has Ardern placed travel restrictions on horses around NZ and/or across the Tasman. FFS horses cant get the virus.

Here in Aust we can still move horses about with the Transport companies.I have moved a stallion from Queensland to Victoria no problem. I have mares in NZ and weanlings that I want to move to Australia as it is costing an arm and a leg leaving them at studs in New Zealand,and once the ban is lifted they will be coming to Aust. anyway. Wonder if I could make a claim against the NZ Govt for the extra costs I am being faced with?

More about reducing the accidents on the roads and exposing emergency services , and policing distancing at point of loading and unloading . Wasn't a great deal of distancing when i was at the supermarket the other day , even the staff didn't seem to make much effort . Think people are getting over it all . There is only so much bubble wrap you can put around people before they start getting pissed off . I reckon there could be anarchy if we don't go to at least level 3 on Monday .

[Gruff 2,801]

UN Agenda 21. Youth Socialist leader and Clarke protégé Comrade Adern  knows what shes doing . People need to start looking at the Bigger Picture. 

[Red Rum 1,833]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

More about reducing the accidents on the roads and exposing emergency services , and policing distancing at point of loading and unloading . Wasn't a great deal of distancing when i was at the supermarket the other day , even the staff didn't seem to make much effort . Think people are getting over it all . There is only so much bubble wrap you can put around people before they start getting pissed off . I reckon there could be anarchy if we don't go to at least level 3 on Monday

I be interested in the arguement for staying at this level, and I personally thought the lockdown was a good idea but extending it . Well I'd like to hear why it should be . 

[pole 53]

1 hour ago, jeepers said:

Why the hell has Ardern placed travel restrictions on horses around NZ and/or across the Tasman. FFS horses cant get the virus.

Here in Aust we can still move horses about with the Transport companies.I have moved a stallion from Queensland to Victoria no problem. I have mares in NZ and weanlings that I want to move to Australia as it is costing an arm and a leg leaving them at studs in New Zealand,and once the ban is lifted they will be coming to Aust. anyway. Wonder if I could make a claim against the NZ Govt for the extra costs I am being faced with?

STOP YOUR MOANING. AT LEAST YOUR STILL ALIVE AND EATING 3 MEALS A DAY WITH YOUR LATTE AND CHAMPAIGN.

[Peter R S 413]

2 hours ago, Gruff said:

UN Agenda 21. Youth Socialist leader and Clarke protégé Comrade Adern  knows what shes doing . People need to start looking at the Bigger Picture. 

[jeepers 276]

4 hours ago, pole said:

STOP YOUR MOANING. AT LEAST YOUR STILL ALIVE AND EATING 3 MEALS A DAY WITH YOUR LATTE AND CHAMPAIGN.

Get stuffed mate.Yes I get 3 meals a day but don't drink latte nor champagne you uneducated twit.I am not moaning about the effort I must put into living but am pissed off that a bloody PM whose has never had a real job is dictating how I should live or run my business.

I am 72 can't get the pension in spite of working since 17years old in NZ for more than 40years some times having two and 3 jobs, and are still working in Aust. Don't take any medication or bludge on anyone. So cock pull your head out of your posterior

Were you aware that in the last big epidemic (influenza)in NZ 8573 people died so toughen up cock.

 

 

[Stables 577]

By the tone of your last post jeepers, I'm glad you're now living in Australia. I see you've picked up their lingo so you should be happy over there. I wonder how our PM can effect your business when you are in Australia

[tripple alliance 1,026]

8 hours ago, pole said:

STOP YOUR MOANING. AT LEAST YOUR STILL ALIVE AND EATING 3 MEALS A DAY WITH YOUR LATTE AND CHAMPAIGN.

How does that work , Can't but latte or champaign and after the imprisonment ends  places to buy a latte will still be hard to find . Given the amount of deaths this decision to bankrupt our country , impoverish even more people who can't afford 3 meals looks like extremely  bad judgment . You do realise Australia is doing better than us don't you . Even Bunnings open .

Leadership requires judgement , comrade cindy is being found to lack judgment , 2 weeks would be enough . 11 deaths , all in their 80/90s . 19 died in the SARS epidemic .

[nomates 3,609]

17 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

How does that work , Can't but latte or champaign and after the imprisonment ends  places to buy a latte will still be hard to find . Given the amount of deaths this decision to bankrupt our country , impoverish even more people who can't afford 3 meals looks like extremely  bad judgment . You do realise Australia is doing better than us don't you . Even Bunnings open .

Leadership requires judgement , comrade cindy is being found to lack judgment , 2 weeks would be enough . 11 deaths , all in their 80/90s . 19 died in the SARS epidemic .

And of course Bridges and his team would have got it all right , christ when it comes to politics people can be so bloody one eyed , try look at the whole picture . Nobody was going to get this situation right , it was a damned it  whatever way they went . I don't have any political affiliation .

[shodsie 208]

she had very little choice but i think most of us realise now it's time to get back to work, shelter the vulnerable lock up the rest homes and let the rest of the country get back to work.......

as a famous world leader said the cure cant be worse than the problem

i popped into a 4 square to grab a box of beer today but couldn't stop and get a subway for lunch 

i have worked in a shed processing lambs for the last month but a mate who makes plastic piping hasn't been at work it's time to be doing both 

as a country we are not dumb people we can be trusted with the balance between social distancing and getting life back to something that resembles normal

unlike some of the other countries who have been badly affected we don't live in each others pockets and we have very little if any public transport 

i have no problem saying it's been a job well done so far but the thought of all the small business going broke and many people without work should scare everybody 

 

 

[jeepers 276]

3 hours ago, Stables said:

By the tone of your last post jeepers, I'm glad you're now living in Australia. I see you've picked up their lingo so you should be happy over there. I wonder how our PM can effect your business when you are in Australia

If you read my post you would see I have mares and now weanlings in NZ that have been bred and cannot return to my farms in Aust.,until travel restrictions are uplifted.I also have businesses in NZ and such restrictions on travel do have an affect on my business.It seems your blind belief in Ms Ardern will only provide you and NZ racing with more grief,take your blinkers off and look across the Tasman. That's if you are genuinely involved in racing.

I  am happy in Australia and thank you for asking.

[eljay 1,720]

And Winston has been like udders on a Unicorn

[tripple alliance 1,026]

On 4/18/2020 at 9:18 PM, nomates said:

And of course Bridges and his team would have got it all right , christ when it comes to politics people can be so bloody one eyed , try look at the whole picture . Nobody was going to get this situation right , it was a damned it  whatever way they went . I don't have any political affiliation .

Well Actually it seems Bridges did get it right . (thanks rdytdy) and it's not dammed if you do and dammed if you don't , leadership is about making the right decisions .

“I suggest that, actually, if we don’t see harm in New Zealand, it will be much more by good luck than by good management and good practice by the Government. I regret to say I don’t believe the Minister of Health is leading on this issue in any way, shape, or form. He waited for the first Cabinet to make preliminary decisions on this matter when a week earlier than that, decisions should have been made on this incredibly significant issue. I believe we must be more proactive, more precautionary, in the way we handle this issue of coronavirus. The Minister said that the Government, the Ministry of Health, has been measured. I regret to say I think what he really means is “laid-back”. Kiwis are laid-back, but on an issue like this, that is not good enough.”

Every single word of what Mr Bridges said is correct – and slightly prophetic because Mr Bridges’ words are not from hindsight, they are from February 12th, It would take almost five weeks (an aeon in virological terms) for ‘Jacinda Van Winkle’ Ardern to finally wake herself up. 2020.

February 12th, 2020

[nomates 3,609]

13 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Well Actually it seems Bridges did get it right . (thanks rdytdy) and it's not dammed if you do and dammed if you don't , leadership is about making the right decisions .

“I suggest that, actually, if we don’t see harm in New Zealand, it will be much more by good luck than by good management and good practice by the Government. I regret to say I don’t believe the Minister of Health is leading on this issue in any way, shape, or form. He waited for the first Cabinet to make preliminary decisions on this matter when a week earlier than that, decisions should have been made on this incredibly significant issue. I believe we must be more proactive, more precautionary, in the way we handle this issue of coronavirus. The Minister said that the Government, the Ministry of Health, has been measured. I regret to say I think what he really means is “laid-back”. Kiwis are laid-back, but on an issue like this, that is not good enough.”

Every single word of what Mr Bridges said is correct – and slightly prophetic because Mr Bridges’ words are not from hindsight, they are from February 12th, It would take almost five weeks (an aeon in virological terms) for ‘Jacinda Van Winkle’ Ardern to finally wake herself up. 2020.

February 12th, 2020

Ok , where to start . A little context for you . I do not vote , have very little time for politicians and believe few if any are worth 1/2 their salaries . much like racings leaders . I am self employed and not able to work because of the lockdown but should be able to start back on Thursday if we drop back to level 3 . So i am not unaffected by this current situation . I like to think of myself as a pragmatic and intelligent person who cares about others .

As to the above , i totally agreed with what SB was saying , pretty much said the same thing at the time . But with more information over the next few weeks it became clear it was never an easy situation to manage . But by saying what others are doing wrong but then not saying what you would do differently to do it better , is a standard response by people who just want to undermine . So the failure in the above statement is it does not state what he would have done differently and to this point i have yet to hear a coherent plan as to what he thinks the govt should have done . So please tell or show me where SB gives clear ideas how he could have done this whole situation better . I have failed to find any information at any time in previous few weeks where by he gives clear ideas on how he would have saved all the jobs and the economy from being damaged but with the bonus of not costing any greater loss of life or the covid 19 infection rates from going thru the roof . God forbid we could have afforded to lose a few more lives including some children if it meant the economy came out in good shape at the end . Because this seems to be what it is all about . We can't use current figures to say , see we didn't have to , we told you so , or we could have done it for less time . We'll never know . But what we do know from the figures is that loss of life and infection rates are low . Even leading economists are saying it was the right thing to do , go figure , money men saying that .

Now don't get me wrong , I don't think this govt has got it all right and as SB states a lot of it has been by good luck more than good management , especially in the early days . Certainly tho more good management than the vast majority of other countries around the world . I know from talking to family and friends in Scotland and the situation over there which country i am happier living in . There are very few countries who are going to come out of this in a better position than NZ , i am sure you will inform if there is . Perhaps you could go and live there seeing how your use of the degrading phrase "comrade" suggests you think you are living in a communist state . You obviously don't seem appreciate what a great country you live in and making some sacrificies for the good of ALL is a small price to pay . 

We are in this position because of the arrogance of successive governments , not just in NZ but all around the world . Nobody wanted to get organised and have a proper pandemic response ready to go in the event a pandemic arose . Every government has been complacent . They have had warnings , SARS , MARS , EBOLA , but all have chosen to sit on their hands and hope it wouldn't happen on their watch , let's hope this is the wake up call for them to be prepared for next time . Not sure about other countries but i am sure this country will be better prepared next time , and i'm sure there will be a next time .

I want to make it clear that i hold no malice towards you and you are entitled to your opinions , but at times like this i honestly believe sticking together and not going down party political lines is the more progressive way to go forward .

Now finally , and please don't take this the wrong way but if you put thru an urgent request to NZTR i am sure they will allow you to remove your blinkers in time for the 4pm announcement of hopefully the drop to level 3 . Only joking .

 

[tripple alliance 1,026]

49 minutes ago, nomates said:

Ok , where to start . A little context for you . I do not vote , have very little time for politicians and believe few if any are worth 1/2 their salaries . much like racings leaders . I am self employed and not able to work because of the lockdown but should be able to start back on Thursday if we drop back to level 3 . So i am not unaffected by this current situation . I like to think of myself as a pragmatic and intelligent person who cares about others .

As to the above , i totally agreed with what SB was saying , pretty much said the same thing at the time . But with more information over the next few weeks it became clear it was never an easy situation to manage . But by saying what others are doing wrong but then not saying what you would do differently to do it better , is a standard response by people who just want to undermine . So the failure in the above statement is it does not state what he would have done differently and to this point i have yet to hear a coherent plan as to what he thinks the govt should have done . So please tell or show me where SB gives clear ideas how he could have done this whole situation better . I have failed to find any information at any time in previous few weeks where by he gives clear ideas on how he would have saved all the jobs and the economy from being damaged but with the bonus of not costing any greater loss of life or the covid 19 infection rates from going thru the roof . God forbid we could have afforded to lose a few more lives including some children if it meant the economy came out in good shape at the end . Because this seems to be what it is all about . We can't use current figures to say , see we didn't have to , we told you so , or we could have done it for less time . We'll never know . But what we do know from the figures is that loss of life and infection rates are low . Even leading economists are saying it was the right thing to do , go figure , money men saying that .

Now don't get me wrong , I don't think this govt has got it all right and as SB states a lot of it has been by good luck more than good management , especially in the early days . Certainly tho more good management than the vast majority of other countries around the world . I know from talking to family and friends in Scotland and the situation over there which country i am happier living in . There are very few countries who are going to come out of this in a better position than NZ , i am sure you will inform if there is . Perhaps you could go and live there seeing how your use of the degrading phrase "comrade" suggests you think you are living in a communist state . You obviously don't seem appreciate what a great country you live in and making some sacrificies for the good of ALL is a small price to pay . 

We are in this position because of the arrogance of successive governments , not just in NZ but all around the world . Nobody wanted to get organised and have a proper pandemic response ready to go in the event a pandemic arose . Every government has been complacent . They have had warnings , SARS , MARS , EBOLA , but all have chosen to sit on their hands and hope it wouldn't happen on their watch , let's hope this is the wake up call for them to be prepared for next time . Not sure about other countries but i am sure this country will be better prepared next time , and i'm sure there will be a next time .

I want to make it clear that i hold no malice towards you and you are entitled to your opinions , but at times like this i honestly believe sticking together and not going down party political lines is the more progressive way to go forward .

Now finally , and please don't take this the wrong way but if you put thru an urgent request to NZTR i am sure they will allow you to remove your blinkers in time for the 4pm announcement of hopefully the drop to level 3 . Only joking .

 

(1) "I like to think of myself as a pragmatic and intelligent person who cares about others ." , Typical socialist , you like to feel good about yourself ,you care more ,  reality is we all care about others .

(2)  "But by saying what others are doing wrong but then not saying what you would do differently to do it better" .   Again you are missing the point Bridges was sounding the alarm , warning the government of what's to come weeks before comrade cindy acted .

(3) " God forbid we could have afforded to lose a few more lives including some children if it meant the economy came out in good shape "  Reality , assuming the predicted economy crash occurs the lives of many NZers will suffer , suicide rates will soar (already happening, not reported) , children's health will suffer , mortgagee sales , bankrupted people , cuts in health spending etc etc . The challenge is getting the balance right

(4)  "There are very few countries who are going to come out of this in a better position than NZ " . Simply not true , when the virus comes back for round 2 then what ? , the economy is already in tatters .

(5) "sacrifices for the good of ALL is a small price to pay ". Only time will tell what the price was but when comrade cindy has excluded virus experts who should be heard from the discussion alarm bells should be ringing .

(6) " Nobody wanted to get organised and have a proper pandemic response " You seem to be forgetting Bridges sounded the alarm weeks before anything happened , that's his role , if action was taken sooner the economy may have been saved , the boarders were only closed properly recently .

(7) " I honestly believe sticking together and not going down party political lines"  Too issues , sticking together is that the  blind leading blind , we were once the land of sheep let's not become sheep and 2 Bridges has kept politics out of this not like labour with their bill boards .

(8) Economy  , last night I watched Sbamabeel ? , the economist state the economy doesn't matter , this is about people and the government has stated the same . He gave two options of how to pay for this mess , increase tax or print money which he said would devastate the value of our money and peoples personal wealth .

Peoples wellbeing and the economy are linked but the government dosnt want to know  which brings me onto racing , the damage done to racing will be the last straw for most , I suppose most involved picked up the $7020 grant which will help to some extent but it won't be enough for many and the jocs with weight issues are unlikely to return especially when we have only 3 meetings a week . 3 meetings 8 races a day , 24 races a week , I  wouldn't want to be an apprentice starting out .

[nomates 3,609]

15 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

(1) "I like to think of myself as a pragmatic and intelligent person who cares about others ." , Typical socialist , you like to feel good about yourself ,you care more ,  reality is we all care about others .

(2)  "But by saying what others are doing wrong but then not saying what you would do differently to do it better" .   Again you are missing the point Bridges was sounding the alarm , warning the government of what's to come weeks before comrade cindy acted .

(3) " God forbid we could have afforded to lose a few more lives including some children if it meant the economy came out in good shape "  Reality , assuming the predicted economy crash occurs the lives of many NZers will suffer , suicide rates will soar (already happening, not reported) , children's health will suffer , mortgagee sales , bankrupted people , cuts in health spending etc etc . The challenge is getting the balance right

(4)  "There are very few countries who are going to come out of this in a better position than NZ " . Simply not true , when the virus comes back for round 2 then what ? , the economy is already in tatters .

(5) "sacrifices for the good of ALL is a small price to pay ". Only time will tell what the price was but when comrade cindy has excluded virus experts who should be heard from the discussion alarm bells should be ringing .

(6) " Nobody wanted to get organised and have a proper pandemic response " You seem to be forgetting Bridges sounded the alarm weeks before anything happened , that's his role , if action was taken sooner the economy may have been saved , the boarders were only closed properly recently .

(7) " I honestly believe sticking together and not going down party political lines"  Too issues , sticking together is that the  blind leading blind , we were once the land of sheep let's not become sheep and 2 Bridges has kept politics out of this not like labour with their bill boards .

(8) Economy  , last night I watched Sbamabeel ? , the economist state the economy doesn't matter , this is about people and the government has stated the same . He gave two options of how to pay for this mess , increase tax or print money which he said would devastate the value of our money and peoples personal wealth .

Peoples wellbeing and the economy are linked but the government dosnt want to know  which brings me onto racing , the damage done to racing will be the last straw for most , I suppose most involved picked up the $7020 grant which will help to some extent but it won't be enough for many and the jocs with weight issues are unlikely to return especially when we have only 3 meetings a week . 3 meetings 8 races a day , 24 races a week , I  wouldn't want to be an apprentice starting out .

Nah  mate , you think i'm a socialist , i just want feel good about myself , really , i'm not the one with their tool in their hand , you pratt . I'm not the feckwit who thinks he knew everything that was done wrong is now predicting everything that is going to happen because of those wrong doings , your a clairvoyant to , TWAT . Bridges sounded the alarm ,  but no fecking solutions , still hasn't , in short he wasn't fecken organised either or else he would offered to help  .Feck me , i give up some people can be such dickheads , stuck in your own little idealogical bubble .You were too thick to understand  the "closing down the tracks debate" don't know why i thought your IQ might have risen . One can never beat political dogma , i see you obviously didn't get permission to remove the blinkers . I feel sorry for you , you must be a feckin joy to be around , do you have the family around the table every night thumping them with your National dogma and praising posters of Simon Bridges , HAIL THE ALMIGHTY .I wont waste my time with you again . 

[rdytdy 5,343]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

Ok , where to start . A little context for you . I do not vote , have very little time for politicians and believe few if any are worth 1/2 their salaries . much like racings leaders . I am self employed and not able to work because of the lockdown but should be able to start back on Thursday if we drop back to level 3 . So i am not unaffected by this current situation . I like to think of myself as a pragmatic and intelligent person who cares about others .

As to the above , i totally agreed with what SB was saying , pretty much said the same thing at the time . But with more information over the next few weeks it became clear it was never an easy situation to manage . But by saying what others are doing wrong but then not saying what you would do differently to do it better , is a standard response by people who just want to undermine . So the failure in the above statement is it does not state what he would have done differently and to this point i have yet to hear a coherent plan as to what he thinks the govt should have done . So please tell or show me where SB gives clear ideas how he could have done this whole situation better . I have failed to find any information at any time in previous few weeks where by he gives clear ideas on how he would have saved all the jobs and the economy from being damaged but with the bonus of not costing any greater loss of life or the covid 19 infection rates from going thru the roof . God forbid we could have afforded to lose a few more lives including some children if it meant the economy came out in good shape at the end . Because this seems to be what it is all about . We can't use current figures to say , see we didn't have to , we told you so , or we could have done it for less time . We'll never know . But what we do know from the figures is that loss of life and infection rates are low . Even leading economists are saying it was the right thing to do , go figure , money men saying that .

Now don't get me wrong , I don't think this govt has got it all right and as SB states a lot of it has been by good luck more than good management , especially in the early days . Certainly tho more good management than the vast majority of other countries around the world . I know from talking to family and friends in Scotland and the situation over there which country i am happier living in . There are very few countries who are going to come out of this in a better position than NZ , i am sure you will inform if there is . Perhaps you could go and live there seeing how your use of the degrading phrase "comrade" suggests you think you are living in a communist state . You obviously don't seem appreciate what a great country you live in and making some sacrificies for the good of ALL is a small price to pay . 

We are in this position because of the arrogance of successive governments , not just in NZ but all around the world . Nobody wanted to get organised and have a proper pandemic response ready to go in the event a pandemic arose . Every government has been complacent . They have had warnings , SARS , MARS , EBOLA , but all have chosen to sit on their hands and hope it wouldn't happen on their watch , let's hope this is the wake up call for them to be prepared for next time . Not sure about other countries but i am sure this country will be better prepared next time , and i'm sure there will be a next time .

I want to make it clear that i hold no malice towards you and you are entitled to your opinions , but at times like this i honestly believe sticking together and not going down party political lines is the more progressive way to go forward .

Now finally , and please don't take this the wrong way but if you put thru an urgent request to NZTR i am sure they will allow you to remove your blinkers in time for the 4pm announcement of hopefully the drop to level 3 . Only joking .

 

Bridges was calling for border control early in March particularly on 18 March whilst the PM was focused on dressing up for photo ops for the mosque shooting anniversary.  Jacinda Van Winkle never went hardernurly soon enough. Had borders been closed and quarantine put in place it is highly likely that any lockdown would have had to occur. And for your information offered support and use of MPs and staff to the PM on March 23rd. However it wasn't accepted as such.  March 13 he said:

"The Govt says we have some of the strictest travel restrictions in the world, but our borders remain open to travellers from Italy and South Korea. Tougher border controls are needed to slow the spread of the virus."

National call for border closure for non citizens and residents amid coronavirus

 

[nomates 3,609]

52 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

(1) "I like to think of myself as a pragmatic and intelligent person who cares about others ." , Typical socialist , you like to feel good about yourself ,you care more ,  reality is we all care about others .

(2)  "But by saying what others are doing wrong but then not saying what you would do differently to do it better" .   Again you are missing the point Bridges was sounding the alarm , warning the government of what's to come weeks before comrade cindy acted .

(3) " God forbid we could have afforded to lose a few more lives including some children if it meant the economy came out in good shape "  Reality , assuming the predicted economy crash occurs the lives of many NZers will suffer , suicide rates will soar (already happening, not reported) , children's health will suffer , mortgagee sales , bankrupted people , cuts in health spending etc etc . The challenge is getting the balance right

(4)  "There are very few countries who are going to come out of this in a better position than NZ " . Simply not true , when the virus comes back for round 2 then what ? , the economy is already in tatters .

(5) "sacrifices for the good of ALL is a small price to pay ". Only time will tell what the price was but when comrade cindy has excluded virus experts who should be heard from the discussion alarm bells should be ringing .

(6) " Nobody wanted to get organised and have a proper pandemic response " You seem to be forgetting Bridges sounded the alarm weeks before anything happened , that's his role , if action was taken sooner the economy may have been saved , the boarders were only closed properly recently .

(7) " I honestly believe sticking together and not going down party political lines"  Too issues , sticking together is that the  blind leading blind , we were once the land of sheep let's not become sheep and 2 Bridges has kept politics out of this not like labour with their bill boards .

(8) Economy  , last night I watched Sbamabeel ? , the economist state the economy doesn't matter , this is about people and the government has stated the same . He gave two options of how to pay for this mess , increase tax or print money which he said would devastate the value of our money and peoples personal wealth .

Peoples wellbeing and the economy are linked but the government dosnt want to know  which brings me onto racing , the damage done to racing will be the last straw for most , I suppose most involved picked up the $7020 grant which will help to some extent but it won't be enough for many and the jocs with weight issues are unlikely to return especially when we have only 3 meetings a week . 3 meetings 8 races a day , 24 races a week , I  wouldn't want to be an apprentice starting out .

Last thing , as for racing , yet again your lack of understanding of the big picture . The damage to racing has been done over the last couple of decades , the last straw has been happening for people that long . Every year people have gone that's the last straw for them and their out . More people have got out of racing in the last 10 years than are presently still in it . Don't try and lump this on Labour as well we had 9 with your buddies in charge and more damage was done in that time than any other .

[nomates 3,609]

25 minutes ago, rdytdy said:

Bridges was calling for border control early in March particularly on 18 March whilst the PM was focused on dressing up for photo ops for the mosque shooting anniversary.  Jacinda Van Winkle never went hardernurly soon enough. Had borders been closed and quarantine put in place it is highly likely that any lockdown would have had to occur. And for your information offered support and use of MPs and staff to the PM on March 23rd. However it wasn't accepted as such.  March 13 he said:

"The Govt says we have some of the strictest travel restrictions in the world, but our borders remain open to travellers from Italy and South Korea. Tougher border controls are needed to slow the spread of the virus."

National call for border closure for non citizens and residents amid coronavirus

 

Read what i said , i agreed at the time and all the way thru have said we should have stricter border controls and more testing at the borders , but i didn't have answers how it would be done and have seen nor read anything from SB that gave any detail as to how to either . As i have found out the logistics around doing this with quarantine and such are huge . All to easy in hindsight to find the cockups but no one , SB included , would have got it all right . Don't know about the travellers bit , but if returning NZrs i've got no problem with quarantine measures in place now , i'm sure you wouldn't want to stop a citizen return home .

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2 minutes ago, nomates said:

Read what i said , i agreed at the time and all the way thru have said we should have stricter border controls and more testing at the borders , but i didn't have answers how it would be done and have seen nor read anything from SB that gave any detail as to how to either . As i have found out the logistics around doing this with quarantine and such are huge . All to easy in hindsight to find the cockups but no one , SB included , would have got it all right . Don't know about the travellers bit , but if returning NZrs i've got no problem with quarantine measures in place now , i'm sure you wouldn't want to stop a citizen return home .

"" As i have found out the logistics around doing this with quarantine and such are huge ."  

Rubbish , if they can imprison very NZer they can find a few empty motels , they are not all full of welfare clients , clients created by their failed housing policy . The tourists have all gone home so accommodation can't be a problem , policing these people might be but the police are certainly policing the average NZers activities .

"i've got no problem with quarantine measures" . I can certainly believe that. Oh yes ,  What about the guy in quarantine  in Christchurch   , got the virus , court shopping at the supermarket .

I  see the RACE group are appealing the conditions placed on them for their housing development at Awapuni .

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On 4/18/2020 at 2:09 PM, Peter R S said:

So your obviously not familiar with the 1992 Earth Summit where NZ was represented by Geoffrey Palmer and the  UN Agenda 21 . This isnt Fiction, and its certainly not my shit but when it hits the fan your pile may come in handy 

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Has anyone got a guess of when horse movement between Aus/NZ might recommence?

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7 minutes ago, Sleepy said:

Has anyone got a guess of when horse movement between Aus/NZ might recommence?

When they can teach horses to fly planes.

 

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34 minutes ago, Sleepy said:

Has anyone got a guess of when horse movement between Aus/NZ might recommence?

Why is it stopped?