Idolmite 2,528 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Gruff said: Glad you have Chevy Cant blame Scoob ,theres nothing worse than losing love ones to something thats created so much debate .why is the Science on this so Clouded given the large number of experts in this field overseas... our Scientists just take their advice from the WHO and really add little we dont already know ,yet they are powerful enough to sway the Government into decisions that will have serious economic consequences and create ‘ The Great Reset’People just want a fair go and the information we are receiving doesnt inspire confidence .... The problem is Gruff, and it's evidenced by you being the only one posting in this thread over the last few months, is that you made up your mind on a whole lot of stuff with regards Covid a long long time ago. You obviously spend a lot of time on the internet "researching", but you only ever post stuff that agrees with the theories you've been peddling all along. Obviously you come across other stuff as well, but you choose not to post anything that doesn't back up you pre-determined agenda. Then you expect us to believe you only post "facts". Pfffftttt.... How's that cure of Hundy's going? Hydroxychloroquine: Trump's Covid-19 'cure' increases deaths, global study finds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Idolmite said: The problem is Gruff, and it's evidenced by you being the only one posting in this thread over the last few months, is that you made up your mind on a whole lot of stuff with regards Covid a long long time ago. You obviously spend a lot of time on the internet "researching", but you only ever post stuff that agrees with the theories you've been peddling all along. Obviously you come across other stuff as well, but you choose not to post anything that doesn't back up you pre-determined agenda. Then you expect us to believe you only post "facts". Pfffftttt.... How's that cure of Hundy's going? Hydroxychloroquine: Trump's Covid-19 'cure' increases deaths, global study finds Everyone knows the other Narrative Mighty so why would i need to? The Study i read on the New england medical journal involving Hydroxy and other antivirals didnt involve its use with Zinc, i dont have enough information thats definitive to comment further ,thats for you to decide or research but not all ‘Studies’ are created equal Given the Bias for other more expensive thereputic alternatives thats no surprise.We also know you cant be swayed from your Blinkered opinion unlike myself being very receptive to information... im all ears Me ol China Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,528 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Gruff said: Everyone knows the other Narrative Mighty so why would i need to? The Study i read on the New england medical journal involving Hydroxy and other antivirals didnt involve its use with Zinc, i dont have enough information thats definitive to comment further ,thats for you to decide or research but not all ‘Studies’ are created equal Given the Bias for other more expensive thereputic alternatives thats no surprise.We also know you cant be swayed from your Blinkered opinion unlike myself being very receptive to information... im all ears Me ol China Who are you trying to kid? You're one of the most blinkered people in these threads. Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, Idolmite said: Who are you trying to kid? You're one of the most blinkered people in these threads. Im the only one Why should i post anything spouted in the mainstream ? We are hearing it on a Regular Basis Doesnt mean im not open to others opinions based on facts. Theres no point asking for yours , thats been made perfectly clear 6xes 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,554 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 You certainly can't get away from it, on the news, sports new, seven sharp and everywhere else,enough to give you the shits,no wonder they are kicking punching and biting over the toilet paper, I'm well over it, and have resorted to fast forward most of the news, as for the vaccination, they cant stick that up their date.Not for me. Gruff and barryb 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 1 1,386 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 I know this is doing the rounds and several people have sent it to me - but one of them is a well respected health care professional whose opinion I have always trusted. So whether in life you are pro or against vaccinations, these questions and answers should have you asking yourself at the least - "should I?" ●"If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?" Goverment: "NO" ●"If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal? Government: "NO" ●"If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?" Government: "Maybe. We don't know exactly, but probably not." ●"If I get vaccinated, at least I won't be contagious to others - right?" Government: "NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission." ●"If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?" Government: "No one knows. All Covid "vaccines" are still in the experimental stage." ● "If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?" Government: "NO" ● "If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?" Government: "NO" ● "So what's the benefit of getting vaccinated?" Government: "Hoping that the virus won't kill you." ●"Are you sure the vaccine won't injure or kill me?" Government: "NO" ●"If statistically the virus won't kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?" Government: "To protect others." ●"So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?" Government: "NO" ● "If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?" Government: "NO - the government and vaccine manufactures have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug" SO TO SUMMARIZE, the Covid19 "vaccine"... Does not provide immunity Does not eliminate the virus Does not prevent death Does not guarantee you won’t get it Does not stop you from passing it on to others Does not eliminate the need for travel bans Does not eliminate the need for business closures Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns Does not eliminate the need for masking Not FDA approved either Gruff and 6xes 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,528 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, 100 1 said: I know this is doing the rounds and several people have sent it to me - but one of them is a well respected health care professional whose opinion I have always trusted. So whether in life you are pro or against vaccinations, these questions and answers should have you asking yourself at the least - "should I?" ●"If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?" Goverment: "NO" ●"If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal? Government: "NO" ●"If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?" Government: "Maybe. We don't know exactly, but probably not." ●"If I get vaccinated, at least I won't be contagious to others - right?" Government: "NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission." ●"If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?" Government: "No one knows. All Covid "vaccines" are still in the experimental stage." ● "If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?" Government: "NO" ● "If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?" Government: "NO" ● "So what's the benefit of getting vaccinated?" Government: "Hoping that the virus won't kill you." ●"Are you sure the vaccine won't injure or kill me?" Government: "NO" ●"If statistically the virus won't kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?" Government: "To protect others." ●"So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?" Government: "NO" ● "If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?" Government: "NO - the government and vaccine manufactures have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug" SO TO SUMMARIZE, the Covid19 "vaccine"... Does not provide immunity Does not eliminate the virus Does not prevent death Does not guarantee you won’t get it Does not stop you from passing it on to others Does not eliminate the need for travel bans Does not eliminate the need for business closures Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns Does not eliminate the need for masking Not FDA approved either Get back to your Trump thread you disinformation spreading fire retardant soliloquy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Idolmite said: Get back to your Trump thread you disinformation spreading fire retardant Everything 100 stated there is close to the mark, if you have nothing of substance to add what are you playing at Mighty You dont seem to have any idea whatsoever 6xes 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 Bloomfield said it must stop transmission because ‘its the amount of virus theyre carrying around ‘ .... i found the Study that said one particle at 0.06 of a micron can create infection ..and weres the study that proves it stops transmission particularly around the ‘Variants’ which are well known as RNA viruses mutate ,which is nothing they never knew before these Vaccines were produced.... If you think i have Blinkers so did Vo Rogue.Wake up Shad 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 We are told to follow the Science Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 Very interesting given adverse reactions around vaccines as previously described Scientists make pivotal discovery on mechanism of Epstein-Barr... www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210121132143.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Idolmite said: Get back to your Trump thread you disinformation spreading fire retardant Your play the man not the Ball approach is concerning Mighty, could you move on please and set us straight on misinformation.Thanks I want to give the Thumbs up to Chris Hipkins, hes actually doing a really good job in a very tough domain, and Siouxie Wiles very surprising this morning not exaggerating the Improved Curve relative to vaccine uptake,she could of easily agreed to follow the normal narrative. Mike Baker would of run with it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) Two more ‘cases’ related to the Schoolgirl... WHO have made Coronavirus cases Covid cases to muddy the waters.... PCR is proven to be unreliable and so is Vaccination so WHAT will ever change???????????? So masks, distancing , Lockups and Scanning are here to stay...whats the point of Scanning? By the time the results are out its a week, the South Head Dairy owner was informed of his visit by Covid Cathy watching TV ...he reckoned 300 plus people had been through his premises in that time...madness Edited February 17, 2021 by Gruff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Archer 296 Report post Posted February 17, 2021 No, they have to keep pushing the fact no one really uses the vacc scan sign in, so they can blame the people for any increases and THEN they will push the Covid !!!! badge thru, ... EVERYBODY will have to wear a id card (because its for our own good) and the shops and offices and other places WILL SCAN YOU, just so the govt know where you are IF they need to. Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Heap 481 Report post Posted February 17, 2021 I see that in both the UK and USA, the early weeks of the vaccine roll out has coincided with a drop in Covid related death rates. This is good...Right? Whether it's Covid, flu, old age or whatever, in NZ we don't want our Hospital's inundated, to the point where we have people unable to get life-saving treatment. This occurred/is occurring in many countries and is not the result of the seasonal flu etc. That's why the vast majority of us are happy with the NZ Govt's approach to the Covid Pandemic and don't buy "know-it-alls" posting about conspiracies, downplaying preventive measures and promoting unproven medications etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, Uriah Heap said: I see that in both the UK and USA, the early weeks of the vaccine roll out has coincided with a drop in Covid related death rates. This is good...Right? This post is on this thread from yesterday.... I want to give the Thumbs up to Chris Hipkins, hes actually doing a really good job in a very tough domain, and Siouxie Wiles very surprising this morning not exaggerating the Improved Curve relative to vaccine uptake,she could of easily agreed to follow the normal narrative. Mike Baker would of run with i ...you paying attention Heap? ...and why do you think that is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 17, 2021 ...and whos a know all? The experts dont even know let alone someone on Racecafe Downplaying preventitive measures? The Experts in their chosen fields are doing that Youve made your mind up i havnt, im erring on the side of caution and if you want to be part of a Vaccine trial knock yourself out, the results of this we shall see in two years... read the literature... but you wont its just conspiracy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 18, 2021 Heap where are you? I just want answers your challenge is much appreciated,and hopefully that leads to yourself and others expanding your knowledge and thought process Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 18, 2021 What could Pumper have done ? 1988 Queen Elizabeth Stakes - Beau Zam vs Bonecrusher vs ... -... www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqmJMyryG9Y Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 18, 2021 Stop it 1991 The Galaxy - Mr Tiz - YouTube www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eEPTsWt_RE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 18, 2021 From their own literature Heap it takes 35 days to be ‘immune’ ... ( 5-10%wont be )and you should be ‘screened before vaccination you dont just turn up and get jabbed,the 2nd dose is 28 days later and also the riskier time for allergic reactions due to the adjuvent Polyethelene glycol (PEG ) ...after that its a wait and see the trial ends in 2 years...the vaccine is suppose to be taken up by cells which basically make the antigen which your immune system creates antibodies to, .Roughly a Trojan horse type scenario i guess, how this doesnt produce the Cytokine Storm response that the very small percentage of peoole who actually get Covid generate i dont know, but plenty of information out there to those who are interested ...why are ‘case’ numbers dropping ? Not because of any vaccine surely Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 6:55 PM, Archer said: Just Breathe - Pearl Jam - YouTube www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuq7RYQ8Wa0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted February 19, 2021 fk p jam, one song wonders, I'd say hit but it wasn't even that .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted February 19, 2021 ...... Cats and dogs can get Covid I took the two coolest dogs in Auckland to get their teeth done a few weeks back ...$1300 ...you shittiin me . people will fall over each other given the ‘fact’ 1 in 10 relationships place the pet ahead of their partner (am show stat ).....where does this Crap end Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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