Stables 577 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 Gruff you scoff, but all you post are useless lists of the various vacines available for diseases that have been around for generations. What do they proove? What is the releance to Covid19 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Stables said: Gruff you scoff, but all you post are useless lists of the various vacines available for diseases that have been around for generations. What do they proove? What is the releance to Covid19 What lists Stables? I agree lists are useless, evidence and the more elusive facts are required in any debate.The information is available for those who want to make the effort, you dont need to be told. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 Bird Flu and Swine Flu were also corona viruses. To continue on this path of media endorsed armageddon, will lead to it. The virus is in the community already, possibly 200 people maybe 2,000, it is an AIRBORNE virus and it is not going anywhere. We have no choice but to let it run its course, then when common sense returns, it will be relegated to all the other viruses in the community. Remember the common Flu doesn't disappear completely it merely subsides for the summer, to reappear the next winter. Humans gradually become more resistant and fatalities lessen. This will be happen with the current virus. Remember this is not EBOLA, this is not going to kill everyone, but sure as shooting, panic and chaotic behaviour will create an unstoppable movement which will fk up the majority of people. Gruff and Ragamuffin 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Archer said: Bird Flu and Swine Flu were also corona viruses. To continue on this path of media endorsed armageddon, will lead to it. The virus is in the community already, possibly 200 people maybe 2,000, it is an AIRBORNE virus and it is not going anywhere. We have no choice but to let it run its course, then when common sense returns, it will be relegated to all the other viruses in the community. Remember the common Flu doesn't disappear completely it merely subsides for the summer, to reappear the next winter. Humans gradually become more resistant and fatalities lessen. This will be happen with the current virus. Remember this is not EBOLA, this is not going to kill everyone, but sure as shooting, panic and chaotic behaviour will create an unstoppable movement which will fk up the majority of people. Most people are not in panic , I've seen zero panic bar some bog roll stock up , they are following advice and buying a few weeks for health authorities to get a handle on it , see how the form plays out overseas and act .Age care have time to upgrade and drill down on systems . If it's all an overreaction that will be fantastic news . People need to chill the hell out on bog roll though, bizarre . Gruff, JJ Flash and Ludwig 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 Pak n Save yesterday was busier than Xmas, queues of ten or more people at each till with overflowing trollies, only the two under 12 items lanes were clear ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Red Rum said: see Age care have time to upgrade and drill down on systems . From what I have seen off the Aged and retirement villages, the owners prefer a high turnover rate. Gruff and Baz (NZ) 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 You are a ray of sunshine aren't you? Baz (NZ) and 47South 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,080 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, Archer said: Pak n Save yesterday was busier than Xmas, queues of ten or more people at each till with overflowing trollies, only the two under 12 items lanes were clear ! And all breathing the same air..... Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, Stables said: You are a ray of sunshine aren't you? Practical, logical and deductive ... and if you read the posts, there definitely is a spark of sunshine Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Blue said: And all breathing the same air..... Yeah just thought that, lol Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,682 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 NBR reporting that online gambling is on the rise as Cornavirus increases. Finally some good news. shaneMcAlister, JJ Flash, Baz (NZ) and 1 other 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 Haven't purchased the new race form guide , anyone who has can they advise on suitability for arse wiping , size , smoothness , absorbability ratio , how many sheets paper would be recommended per wipe , sales could go up . I've got a ton of old race books kids will get through if required , a couple will be on the protected list though. Incidentally with online punting up and races stopping someone mentioned in another thread they beaming in Mexican dog racing , I couldn't find it on TAB site but the only official track there is in Tijuana ( shit hole) , Agua Caliente , look out for the ghost of Phar Lap as you watch them whiz round . shaneMcAlister 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,420 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Archer said: Bird Flu and Swine Flu were also corona viruses. To continue on this path of media endorsed armageddon, will lead to it. The virus is in the community already, possibly 200 people maybe 2,000, it is an AIRBORNE virus and it is not going anywhere. We have no choice but to let it run its course, then when common sense returns, it will be relegated to all the other viruses in the community. Remember the common Flu doesn't disappear completely it merely subsides for the summer, to reappear the next winter. Humans gradually become more resistant and fatalities lessen. This will be happen with the current virus. Remember this is not EBOLA, this is not going to kill everyone, but sure as shooting, panic and chaotic behaviour will create an unstoppable movement which will fk up the majority of people. I think we all know that this flu strain will be around for ever, after getting it you will be immune (vaccine probably invented too). However all this action is to smooth the graph so health system can cope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, shaneMcAlister said: I think we all know that this flu strain will be around for ever, after getting it you will be immune (vaccine probably invented too). However all this action is to smooth the graph so health system can cope. Tough to break to kids today that footy off for a while after getting into the training for a few weeks and starting to get in the groove , at least we can still get out for some exercise and still have a punt for now , it's in fact our duty to help the country finances by keeping punting . Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,759 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Red Rum said: Tough to break to kids today that footy off for a while after getting into the training for a few weeks and starting to get in the groove , at least we can still get out for some exercise and still have a punt for now , it's in fact our duty to help the country finances by keeping punting . Worse in Aussie RR.... Red Rum and Ragamuffin 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Worse in Aussie RR.... Pure total musical genius , born genius cannot be learned . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,080 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 Geez, it doesn't take long does it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Harrop 226 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Archer said: Bird Flu and Swine Flu were also corona viruses. No they're not. They are influenza viruses with much less serious illness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Harrop 226 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, shaneMcAlister said: I think we all know that this flu strain will be around for ever, after getting it you will be immune (vaccine probably invented too). However all this action is to smooth the graph so health system can cope. If everyone becomes immune by vaccine or getting it, then it wont last forever. Patiti 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Peter Harrop said: If everyone becomes immune by vaccine or getting it, then it wont last forever. Coronaviruses Mutate, there wont be a vaccine . But the two previous particularly the killer Camel virus didnt seem to transmit well . Isolate the sick and elderly, let it run its course with the younger and healthy during our warmer months while everybody stays working and we are laughing... but we are handbraking the inevitable ,closing in on Flu season while Borrowing Billions. Ashley Bloomfield is Rock and a hard place but his expertise is non communicable diseases with an unprecedented Communicable disease. Buckle in Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Harrop 226 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Gruff said: Coronaviruses Mutate, there wont be a vaccine . But the two previous particularly the killer Camel virus didnt seem to transmit well . Isolate the sick and elderly, let it run its course with the younger and healthy during our warmer months while everybody stays working and we are laughing... but we are handbraking the inevitable ,closing in on Flu season while Borrowing Billions. Ashley Bloomfield is Rock and a hard place but his expertise is non communicable diseases with an unprecedented Communicable disease. Buckle You're totally underestimating today's science. And also, your plan would see the health system completely overwhelmed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Peter Harrop said: You're totally underestimating today's science. And also, your plan would see the health system completely overwhelmed. How? The ones in hospitals are Elderly and or immunocompromised? Majority of people dont have secondary infection. Todays Science? Modern surgical techniques are incredible,vaccination is a different story. Please dont quote me how successful polio vacc was until youve studied it. Thanks Peter Ragamuffin 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick 8 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 On 3/13/2020 at 3:52 PM, shaneMcAlister said: Ireland have said that only trainer, one groom and one owner can attend races due to Coronavirus. If this happens in NZ we could see a jump in crowd numbers....... I have been drinking Corona Light and suffered no ill effects. Every 14 days I get another dozen. shaneMcAlister 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,080 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Maverick said: I have been drinking Corona Light and suffered no ill effects. Every 14 days I get another dozen. 14 days isn't long enough Maverick. It MUST be 2 weeks.!!!! Patiti and Gruff 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted March 19, 2020 21 hours ago, Peter Harrop said: No they're not. They are influenza viruses with much less serious illness. Avian influenza A (H5N1) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus are infections that cause a severe viral pneumonia leading to acute respiratory dysfunction syndrome and carry a high case-fatality rate. We have investigated innate immune responses to both viruses using primary human macrophages and respiratory epithelial cells as in vitro models. In contrast to human influenza A H1NI viruses, the H5N1 viruses hyper-induce cytokines (tumour necrosis factor [TNF]alpha, interferon beta) and chemokines (IP10, MIP1alpha, MCP) in in vitro cultures of primary human macrophages. A similar differential effect is observed in primary human bronchial epithelial cells and in type 2 pneumocytes although TNFalpha is not induced in respiratory epithelial cells. The cell signalling pathways responsible for this differential effect remain to be explored. Preliminary data suggest that such differential signalling involves p38 MAP kinase rather than NF-kappaB. SARS coronavirus infection of primary human macrophages is associated with a strong induction of chemokines without an associated type 1 interferon response. These observations may be relevant in disease pathogenesis. Breeder, Red Rum and Gruff 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...