john legend 735 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 yes I know the new auctioneers are getting results but...…….even a 1 hour explanation on how to read pedigrees on harness racing would be hugely beneficial. the error rate was woeful. Simple things such as christen me only referred to as Christian me and left out in some pedigrees as unimportant. miss streisand was quoted as by bettors delight when selling a rocknroll dance filly. myeyesadoreya upgrade to pedigree was absolute botch up as the auctioneer spent time screwing up the name completely then mumble the important part. At least 20 more some stupid and some serious. lets hope someone points errors to them or am I getting too sensitive and improved prices only measure of success ? Iraklis and Blue 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldon 89 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 John i agree . To be honest the thoroughbred auctioneers are really good and add to the occasion but don’t have the basic harness racing knowledge other than Steve Davis . That’s the only thing I can see could improve . Any tips for the CHCH Sale ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 yes auctioneers are great. but... why should they be expected to know abut harness pedigrees .a specialist should handle this. As for chch. don't do trotters as unreliable. so go to the 200 plus pacers. The market is strong in betters of course but a few others very assured of good support. at reasonable prices eg.A rocknroll dance has numbers and his progeny are really showing up presently 3 = with art major number of 4 year old winners . Captain treacherous is a boom sire who looks like surpassing his sire in fast young horses. (has some well bred yearlings for auction) my pick for 6 figures are 2 late in day 356 and357. just look at families wow. good luck to buyers and sellers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 12 hours ago, sheldon said: John i agree . To be honest the thoroughbred auctioneers are really good and add to the occasion but don’t have the basic harness racing knowledge other than Steve Davis . That’s the only thing I can see could improve . Any tips for the CHCH Sale ?? But is it any real loss to not see or have to listen to Paul Davies prattling on and to a lesser extent Lagan, PGG only used stock agents a lot of the times so im going in to bat for NZB auctioneers, the buyers already know the breeding and what the want to bid on Greg Rusty 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 Pretty sure the buyers wouldn't worry about the odd slip up - afterall they no doubt already had done their honework Aaron Bidlake, ivanthegreat and JJ Flash 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 yes done homework but just sometimes someone hears something and throws in a bid. otherwise just get to the rostrum mention lot number and say you have all done your home work so we will have more time with bidders and auction could save say 4 minutes per lot equals hours saved. However think the upgrades important as catalogues 3 months behind. and I believe NZB are doing a more professional job all round. ps. I was a phone bidder and done homework but the slip ups and omissions annoy me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, john legend said: However think the upgrades important as catalogues 3 months behind. and I believe NZB are doing a more professional job all round. Fair point but pleased that you can see the benefits of a more professional organisation overall. Sale coverage was very good and now on 3 platforms. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelli 426 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Have to take exception to the "don't do trotters as they are unreliable". Are you talking as a punter? Sure you need patience at the start (like to see how novice pacers would fare with no mobile starts and against experienced horses) but you are just as likely to get a race horse that pays its way, more likely to have a horse to race for years and the fillies are as good as colts as juveniles. Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilcoyne 191 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Heard bids tonight at the Trotters sale going from $10, 000 to $11,000. next rise to $12 million Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilcoyne 191 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Fair point but pleased that you can see the benefits of a more professional organisation overall. Sale coverage was very good and now on 3 platforms. Greg But no live coverage on Sky like the Thoroughbreds!!!!. Get Sky to get Trackside daily cos no freeview coverage then have no sales coverage. Still the poor relation. badger and Keneperu 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, kilcoyne said: But no live coverage on Sky like the Thoroughbreds!!!!. Get Sky to get Trackside daily cos no freeview coverage then have no sales coverage. Still the poor relation. But still way better than PGGW. They are way smarter and give them time , you cant turn around the harness sales industry in 3 or 4 years or do you and others disagree?? Greg kilcoyne 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev 14 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 $280 k for a trotter wow great to see Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Value Bell 246 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Who bought the trotter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Lot 369 will be interesting to see how it sells, few good ones in the breed. john legend 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldon 89 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Saw him in the parade today. What a standout. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayar 114 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Value Bell said: Who bought the trotter? Peter Lagan Standardbreds. Cheers........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 404 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 8:09 PM, sheldon said: John i agree . To be honest the thoroughbred auctioneers are really good and add to the occasion but don’t have the basic harness racing knowledge other than Steve Davis . That’s the only thing I can see could improve . Any tips for the CHCH Sale ?? Most of the crew down here at Chch are former PGG Wrightson auctioneers / staff . Less stuff ups are likely . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Nellie , I think most owners are sizeable punters as well {sometimes a good thing and sometimes BAD... lol.) I have been racing horses since 1960s (first winner at claudelands 1970)an d have only had problems with trotters so stick to pacers . Only a personal view .I know trotter of today superior esp. top 4 or 5 sires over sundon mares but as owner/punter there are enough things to worry about without adding breaking up or beingbroken up by others to the mix. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 10 hours ago, sheldon said: Saw him in the parade today. What a standout. Certainly did look bright, nice family, grandam left a few top ones mind you left a few average ones too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted February 19, 2020 Quite a few fireworks at today's sale. Not least was the 270K lot we were sitting a table away from some major players who showed no interest in it at the time. Some stallions definitely on borrowed time from what vendors told me Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,082 Report post Posted February 19, 2020 Hard to judge if you don't see them in the flesh and if you're watching on computer or TV you have to guage their size against that of the leader. Didn't see a lot today but couldn't believe nobody wanted the colt by SBSW out of Luisanabelle Midfrew. A snip at $5K I'd have thought unless there was something obviously wrong with him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelli 426 Report post Posted February 19, 2020 18 hours ago, john legend said: Nellie , I think most owners are sizeable punters as well {sometimes a good thing and sometimes BAD... lol.) I have been racing horses since 1960s (first winner at claudelands 1970)an d have only had problems with trotters so stick to pacers . Only a personal view .I know trotter of today superior esp. top 4 or 5 sires over sundon mares but as owner/punter there are enough things to worry about without adding breaking up or beingbroken up by others to the mix. There's the difference as I'm not a punter at all. Its enough of a gamble being an owner and breeder! Did in the past have big punting co-owners (trotters and pacers) and generally wasn't a comfortable fit since horse could do top run but they'd be cursing and bad tempered as their bets hadn't come through. So now anyone we ask into a partnership are just small time punters and we have much more fun. Also had winner at Claudelands - race 10 in the rain and slush!. The Club put on great family-orientated meetings, especially Christmas eve. john legend 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted February 19, 2020 12 million of sales over 3 days suggests it was not a bad sale from both a vendor and sales company perspective. First time buyer,G McKlintock, shells out top price of 280K. Didn't John Wayne play George McKlintock in a western movie, the name escapes me?? Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted February 19, 2020 true JJ , film from 1960s was called Mclintock . and John Wayne played main character George Washington Mclintock. The current G.Mclintock may need John Wayne's 6 guns to end up in profit..!! But good luck to him... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted February 19, 2020 lets hope they do spend a little more time on the lower priced horses . it seemed these appeared a nuisance for the auctioneers who are used to "giving away" thoroughbreds cheaply at say 30000 when average 100000. I know I will get flack but if you can auction a colt out of Lancewood Lizzie and talk about American Ideal and other mares further down the page and barely mention the great pacing mare who set nz records was Older pacing mare of year G1 winner and 13 wins and 260000 in the bank. I believe the purchaser got a bargain at $45000 when my valuation would be around double.If NZB had someone who knew Lancewood lizzie I am sure a better price would have resulted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...