gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted February 8, 2020 Incompetent Unit makes his debut in Race 1 at Te Aroha on Wednesday. Stephen Marsh trained and has had five trials. Intriguing name! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted February 8, 2020 Very well named. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjay 447 Report post Posted February 8, 2020 If the horse is as good as Rita, what chance? napier, Gruff and Pam Robson 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted February 9, 2020 Does JA own it ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 Incompetent Unit scratched. What are the odds it will have a name change before his debut? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 Does a bloke from the viaduct own it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMD is rife 211 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 Someone who is up on charges through Operation Inca part owns it. Wouldn't be surprised to see a legal case against the RIU once his case is thrown out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 I've no Idea the rights and wrongs of the investigation , nor do I want to know or should I know . It is all playing out through the legal avenues I would assume . However NZTR surely cannot really have a horse running that is so obviously taking the mick out of the authority charged with regulating the whole show , it undermines what credibility racing has left here . I am sure those involved either side have strong feelings but for good of sport imho it's the right decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,876 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 Look at the size of the joint! http://www.riu.org.nz/our-people The costs must be enormous. P.S. I don’t know how up to date or accurate it is, even though I downloaded it a minute or two ago. John Oatham I understand is now based on ChCh and has been for some time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 6 hours ago, poundforpound said: Sometimes you’re such a dickhead RR If the RIU had no insecurities they wouldn’t care, it’s bizarre that they’d even get involved, so unprofessional. You should be asking yourself why the RIU is so vulnerable to criticism, so sensitive, and why do so many racing people who deal with them become so disenchanted and disillusioned ? That’s not to say they’re all bad, or liars, or fabricators of evidence, or just plain thick and uneducated in important matters, but the one or two that are ruin the reputation of that whole organization, and they damage hard working licensees in the process. They also tarnish irreparably the reputations of those who do have integrity and work within that organization. Until Operation Inca is stopped the RIU deserves everything it gets by way of criticism, which is not to say Operation Inca is their only flaw, but it’s their worst and it’s corrupting the entire unit. . You are one of many who have come to the conclusion iam a dickhead at times so not going to argue that point . On the point of horse names , part of rules would likely be nothing derogatory . If this name is indeed intended to denigrate a whole organisation imho it's correct it's been put on banned list . The rights and wrongs of whole saga I don't know but surely there's a review process at the end and that's the correct avenue .To have licenced people involved in the running of a horse that is named to undermine a whole organisation that is paid to keep industry on straight and narrow does not seem right and may put those licenced persons in an embarrassing situation that for all we know they don't want to be in . If the regulatory authority need a review racing people should push for it as part of reforms . In the meantime if it's denigrated to such an extent the possibility is people could decide not to contact them over matters they should know about such as welfare , drug use etc that cannot happen for sake of horses and people involved , there is a bigger picture . Iam told tens thousands make living out industry so it's not a vehicle for a few people's view however valid it may be . That horse wins a Derby , the publicity could make the racing industry as a whole look unprofessional to Joe Bloggs . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 How precious of the RIU to heavy NZTR into scratching Incompetent Unit today. Presumptive as well. Look at his breeding. By Highly Recommended out of Street Siren. This could equally suggest an army reference. Just saying! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 Today’s Stewards Report will make interesting reading. I wonder what rule NZTR has cited in ordering the scratching of Incompetent Unit? Also will his nomination fee be refunded to the connections? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 How is anyone going to prove what the intention of the name was? I can think of many incompetent unit's. Scratching it has given the name a notoriety that would not have happened if it was left unmentioned and we would have all had a chuckle and moved on weasel57 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 46 minutes ago, gubellini said: How precious of the RIU to heavy NZTR into scratching Incompetent Unit today. Presumptive as well. Look at his breeding. By Highly Recommended out of Street Siren. This could equally suggest an army reference. Just saying! How you getting the name out of the breeding ? . Street Siren ? If I was dealing with it I would have an quick enquiry , get on record the reasoning behind name from person who named it . If it's due to breeding or some other reason not derogatory , not aimed at a person or organisation , sign a statement to that end and then surely it's free to go no issues . If of course later the owners use name to denigrate a whole branch of the organisation it shows them more as chumps than the organisation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,389 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 Oatham to Christchurch. They will welcome that cheery man - Not! Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, GOM said: How is anyone going to prove what the intention of the name was? I can think of many incompetent unit's. Scratching it has given the name a notoriety that would not have happened if it was left unmentioned and we would have all had a chuckle and moved on To be fair GOM , I am coming at this thread from the obvious angle of they have asked this question of the person naming the beast and were not happy with answer . A scratch without the question being put on that person would seem odd . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 They would of been far better served letting it run, talk about attracting unwanted attention Removes any doubt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Red Rum said: To be fair GOM , I am coming at this thread from the obvious angle of they have asked this question of the person naming the beast and were not happy with answer . A scratch without the question being put on that person would seem odd . If the RIU have requested the scratching without asking that question then they will have proved that the name should apply to them. GOM 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Leggy said: If the RIU have requested the scratching without asking that question then they will have proved that the name should apply to them. Yes , that would put a different spin on it . Send an investigator or stipe . Speak to person who named it . Get the reasoning on record and away it goes . If he or she says I am doing it to take mick out of whole organisation then ban it , if it's because it's 25 generations back on sireline side is named after the general than planned the Battle of the Somme then it's a goer surely . Then it's there on record . Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 Is this Thread a big joke? Surely all this can’t be true? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, poundforpound said: This also reminds me of the well known and well informed racing owner administrator who wanted to race a horse named “ I raced ninety “ NZTR wouldn’t approve that so it was referred to The Integrity Committee of NZTR and they eventually agreed to allow the horse to be called I Raced Fifty As it transpired the 50 was correct as proved when the Racing Incompetence Unit charged Kevin Morton and the man who claimed he’d raced 90 was proven wrong, and humiliated. When I read this post I had a real feeling of Deja Vu . Then I scrolled through thread again . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, poundforpound said: Bloody fat fingers pasting things accidentally Now Leggy, here’s a job for you given you have a keen brain and you’re well read I’m told the Racing Amendment Bill will expand the RIU powers and remove the JCA as judge and jury That‘s a very scary thought having more power invested in an incompetent unit that ( only some members of ) has no compunction about lying, orchestrating evidence, and manipulating expert witnesses to fabricate evidence I’m also told they’ve appointed yet another ex cop to head the new expanded RIU, a chap named Burgess from Wanaka ( not judging him yet of course, he may be what we need to make these other boof heads lift their game ) Anyway Leggy can you check the new legislation and comment on what I’ve heard, and God forbid if it’s true Before I do that, I need to correct you. The horse was called Eye Raced Ninety (NZ) 2011 8YO b g Won a race too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 Red Rum I suppose your only encounter with a Street Siren was when you were taking a late night stroll through Soho! Watch any American contemporary war movie and there will be three elements- innocent victims, gunfire and street sirens wailing in the background. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, poundforpound said: I’m told the Racing Amendment Bill will expand the RIU powers and remove the JCA as judge and jury That‘s a very scary thought having more power invested in an incompetent unit that ( only some members of ) has no compunction about lying, orchestrating evidence, and manipulating expert witnesses to fabricate evidence 'Tis true that the Bill as it stands will replace the RIU with the Racing Integrity Board which aside from the former functions of the RIU will also be responsible for appointing Judicial Committees and Appeals Tribunals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, gubellini said: Red Rum I suppose your only encounter with a Street Siren was when you were taking a late night stroll through Soho! Watch any American contemporary war movie and there will be three elements- innocent victims, gunfire and street sirens wailing in the background. So a street siren that didn't work might be described as an incompetent unit? Tauhei Notts 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...