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Leo Molloy - Not Guilty!

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8 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

And I remain baffled as to why this thread is under thoroughbred racing????

Presumably because the named one has made a contribution to the game and society over many decades.Principles matter in a democratic society IMHO

 

Greg

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On 2/8/2020 at 8:24 PM, poundforpound said:

TA if you don’t know what’s going on I think you should zip it ..... just some friendly advice ..... otherwise I can recommend a good spatula supplier to help get the egg off your face 

ha ha saith the Mustelid...you see, TA can comment all he likes about this matter, whereas you cannot (or should not), for your own good...and that must really  squeeze your orange!

MM

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2 hours ago, weasel57 said:

ha ha saith the Mustelid...you see, TA can comment all he likes about this matter, whereas you cannot (or should not), for your own good...and that must really  squeeze your orange!

MM

Just a technical question. Are jail inmates still able to contribute to forums such as racecafe?

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Bbecause the convicted killer is to be sentenced tomorrow morning, the Mustelid thought we could all use a 'refresh' on why continued name suppression is likely

....this from NZ Herald court reporter Sam Hurley

New Zealand judges use a particular section of the Criminal Procedure Act to stop the publication of the identifying details for people charged with, convicted or acquitted of, an offence.

A judge has to be satisfied publication would be likely to result in at least one of the following outcomes:

• Cause extreme hardship to the person charged with, or convicted of, or acquitted of the offence, or any person connected with that person.

• Cast suspicion on another person that may cause undue hardship to that person.

• Cause undue hardship to any victim of the offence.

• Create a real risk of prejudice to a fair trial.

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4 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Is name suppression not because he has other cases to face.  If knowing his name increases the possibility of mistrials then that would not be fair on other victims.

I personally don't care if he has name suppression or not.  He is in jail where he should be.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, shaneMcAlister said:

Is name suppression not because he has other cases to face.  If knowing his name increases the possibility of mistrials then that would not be fair on other victims.

I personally don't care if he has name suppression or not.  He is in jail where he should be.

 

 

Typical stupidity from you.

Ask David Bain, Arthur Allan Thomas, Teina Pora, OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson.......Fair trials have nothing to do with suppression orders ......why don’t you name the cases / trials that have been compromised by a suppression breach ......and i’ll respond by naming those that have been compromised by planting or fabricating evidence 

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38 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Don’t worry Ohokason, at least we know the name of the Victim, Grace Millane and that she was a tourist visiting NZ and that she liked to go on dating sites to meet people and that she apparently enjoying engaging in a bit of BDSM (whatever that means?) and that her Mom is devastated etc etc and NZers are shocked yet it’s “Ludicrous” that we should expect to have name suppression of the Guilty murderer lifted. So no sweat. There are obviously extenuating circumstances behind the reasons for the name suppression old son. Accept it. That’s what the bright eyed lefties in the legal system want you to do. It’s cool. 

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1 minute ago, poundforpound said:

Typical stupidity from you.

Ask David Bain, Arthur Allan Thomas, Teina Pora, OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson.......Fair trials have nothing to do with suppression orders 

While I am aware it is easy enough to find his name.  There are still a lot of people that would not easily find his name .  So with name suppression you could still get a jury that have no awareness of his other crimes.  Which is what you want.

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1 minute ago, shaneMcAlister said:

While I am aware it is easy enough to find his name.  There are still a lot of people that would not easily find his name .  So with name suppression you could still get a jury that have no awareness of his other crimes.  Which is what you want.

Yet again you talk shite.....it’s common for Police to publicly name offenders to flush out other victims....eg George Pell....get your facts right FW

What’s more Google has said by way of public statement that 100,000 persons have googled “who killed Grace Millane?”.....that means 4.9 million kiwis haven’t googled it....can you find a jury in that 98% of NZs population ? and tell me how David Bain got three fair juries,....

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Just now, poundforpound said:

Yet again you talk shite.....it’s common for Police to publicly name offenders to flush out other victims....eg George Pell....get your facts right FW

They have another case already.  Once this is done then name will come our and flush out any further ones.  While Grace and her family are victims, other known victims deserve a fair trial too.  

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Just now, shaneMcAlister said:

They have another case already.  Once this is done then name will come our and flush out any further ones.  While Grace and her family are victims, other known victims deserve a fair trial too.  

Victims aren’t on trial...unless you’re Grace Millane being victim shamed by the NZ judicial system 

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1 minute ago, poundforpound said:

Victims aren’t on trial...unless you’re Grace Millane being victim shamed by the NZ judicial system 

A fair trial in that fact that the accused is trialed fairly and the reduce the possibility of mistrial.

I think where this went wrong was Grace should have had name suppression too.  

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17 minutes ago, shaneMcAlister said:

A fair trial in that fact that the accused is trialed fairly and the reduce the possibility of mistrial.

I think where this went wrong was Grace should have had name suppression too.  

 Not quite, but a lot closer to the mark in terms of decency and empathy 

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_94852/petition-of-jess-mcvicar-for-the-sensible-sentencing-trust?signed=true

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1 hour ago, Ohokaman said:

So there is a court order on name suppression, and another one on the reasons for the suppression.

If there are other offences/trials in the offing, he can’t have any complaints......:rolleyes:

Read the evidence from his murder trial .... 2 + 2 equals ????

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