50 win no. 1

Where's the racing

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No NZ gallops,  how hard is it to schedule a galloping meeting Weds/Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun. 

Give the Mon/Tues to greyhounds lower grade harness.  

The main meeting on a Sat could be preceded by a lower grade meeting at the same venue on Thurs or Fri. This could help with costs. 

I'm just trying to think outside the square. 

The other problem is that the stake money is definitely going down next season.  The distribution will be out of a lower turnover take. 

Income,  costs,  investment,  future planning.   Will the industry survive? Yes,  but in what form who knows.  I love Racing of all types but I am deeply concerned about NZ racing future. The current stake levels are challenging for participants, and in the future will be even worse. 

Sorry to be pessimistic,   Have a good day. 

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Help with whose costs?  Are you proposing most horses from Thursday then race Saturday? Or new set of horses for Saturday? Still got to have staff travel with them or stay with them or at home to work them etc etc. I don't think we have the horse population or type of horse to race twice a week anymore ,well at least many of them. 

It ain't an easy solution, but the solution sure ain't what they are gonna do. 

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Used to work at Wairoa/Gisbourne. with mini carnivals. 

South Island circuits, but to be fair Michael Pitman,  thought they had finished their lifespan. 

I'm just saying how do we help the industry participants as against the push for centralising? 

I hoped you might of offered some suggestions Hughy. 

The trouble is once the Racing board legislate to grab the assets and centralise,  racing will lose its local fabric

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6 minutes ago, slam dunk said:

There are no races today or yesterday because trainers owners breeders even jockeys are participants at the yearling sales.

Could of had a meeting at Gore or River ton.  Must remove the word CAN'T. from one's mindset

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36 minutes ago, 50 win no. 1 said:

Used to work at Wairoa/Gisbourne. with mini carnivals. 

South Island circuits, but to be fair Michael Pitman,  thought they had finished their lifespan. 

I'm just saying how do we help the industry participants as against the push for centralising? 

I hoped you might of offered some suggestions Hughy. 

The trouble is once the Racing board legislate to grab the assets and centralise,  racing will lose its local fabric

No point in offering up solutions, they don't listen to facts, common sense ,analysis or commercial sense for that matter. They take a short term view of everything,the latent bias is there for all to see and that's why it's in the state it's in.  

 

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1 hour ago, slam dunk said:

There are no races today or yesterday because trainers owners breeders even jockeys are participants at the yearling sales.

Exactly, last year they had Te Aroha on Friday and hence the reason this year book 3 is probably holding up better than expected.

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2 hours ago, uneasy said:

Where did I ever say that!!

I'm very much in favour of circuit racing BUT we do not suppport  Southland R C or Greymouth J C 

Greymouth done the racing industry proud 3 times  in Jan . Last two days weather great very enjoyable racing and lovely weather.  They have sealed their survival if anyone at NZTR has any sense , at least for few more years .

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5 hours ago, 50 win no. 1 said:

No NZ gallops,  how hard is it to schedule a galloping meeting Weds/Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun. 

Give the Mon/Tues to greyhounds lower grade harness.  

The main meeting on a Sat could be preceded by a lower grade meeting at the same venue on Thurs or Fri. This could help with costs. 

I'm just trying to think outside the square. 

The other problem is that the stake money is definitely going down next season.  The distribution will be out of a lower turnover take. 

Income,  costs,  investment,  future planning.   Will the industry survive? Yes,  but in what form who knows.  I love Racing of all types but I am deeply concerned about NZ racing future. The current stake levels are challenging for participants, and in the future will be even worse. 

Sorry to be pessimistic,   Have a good day. 

I doubt stakes are going down very much  , a very prominent racing figure said stakes are doubling prior to last year's sales and I guess he knows the inside oil very well. Stakes are doubling , it is written   , in the papers , it's true . 100 per cent sure that it's 60 per cent certain just like Sex Panther cologne. 

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11 minutes ago, Shad said:

Racing at saturation point anyway, in my opinion, probably the main reason why its battling.

Too much racing available for people to bet on........the digital and global scene means there are dozens of meetings every day across the 3 x codes.Folk can bet 364 days a year in most parts of the world at any time of day.

Ditto on sports which is more 'universal' and more 'popular' than horse racing which is limited by many factors and harder to 'learn'.

Horse racing used to 'rule' in NZ where gambling was strictly regulated....in 1987 LOTTO arrived then Casinos !

Lotto has the 'life changing' purses , racing is small fry as too many 'pools' has slaughtered divis.

NZ population is too small ......racing DNA has dwindled !

95% of gamblers lose.....now this happens quicker than previous !

Racing relies on money gambled to fund itself.

NZ still breeds great horses because of the climate etc ,but even that is dropping as money leaking off the merry-go-round.

Racing is going well in Australia ,Hong Kong  and areas with greater population and  more racing/gambling in their DNA.

Our best  racing people can go elsewhere ,ditto our best horses.

We left here with our memories of Phar Lap, Sunline , Show Gate and Grey Way ,and collects off a $1 double which almost bought a house !

Those were the days my friend...........

 

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4 hours ago, Shad said:

Never had a sports bet in my life and never will, matter of principle for me, should never been allowed.

Good on ya Shad.

The late, great, Richie Benaud once said; "never bet on anything that can talk." 

I have to agree with Richie there.

Unless of course it is one of those bloody smart horses that can talk. Keep your ear out for them. All too often, one will hear a trainer say to a racing journo or broadcaster: "yeah  nah, we decided to give him (their horse) a brief spell, but he'll tell us when he's ready (to come back into work)."

Smart animals those talking horses. 

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I doubt more meetings are needed, they just need to be held in the right districts, and better planning of each card. New Plymouth, and Wingatui today have top fields but no maiden races, surely New Plymouth could have 2 premier maiden fields, and Wingatui at least one, probably 2-3 needed in the latter case.  Get rid of these races from USA and the like, and forget the remote Aussie ones as well. If stakes were to double the only way I see that happening is with NO tax from horse betting at the  TAB going to Govt coffers, perhaps then stakes could possibly treble. At the moment a $10k stake is crazy for owners 15% gone  straight away, float,shoeing,and weekly training fees. A 10k stake at about 6 for the winner just don't cut the mustard

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