scooby3051 10,694 Report post Posted January 25, 2020 What a super effort by Team Te Akau 4 Karaka Millions in a row and the first horse to win the 2yo and 3yo version with Probabeel..which they bought and sold to the Lindsays. One things for sure NZ racing would be much the poorer without their involvement .... I think Probabeel will hold her own in the Autumn in OZ... top class filly. bestbets, jack, tasman man 11 and 4 others 5 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipOrange 147 Report post Posted January 25, 2020 Totally Agree, great for NZ racing! Pegasus 9, Baz (NZ) and talk 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus 9 511 Report post Posted January 25, 2020 Probabeel deserved the win but I thought the suspension for James was very harsh, considering there was no suspension for Vinnie Colgan. Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Pegasus 9 said: Probabeel deserved the win but I thought the suspension for James was very harsh, considering there was no suspension for Vinnie Colgan. I've only watched race once but looked like JMAC thought shit I've got the best horse in this going well in worse position and went for defcon one barged out then got squeezed out . Like I say only watched it once . Hayes was quite good after when Rodley it might have been asked if he would carry on racing here . I could sense he was thinking is this guy for real, race for 2 bob or million in OZ with massive stud prospect prestige errm not sure . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted January 27, 2020 We would be lost without them _ hold NZ racing together Superb operation tasman man 11 and scooby3051 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted January 27, 2020 If NZTR, NZ TAB & NZ TRACKSIDE strove to achieve the heights of Te Akau...NZ Racing wouldn't be in the predicament it finds itself today. Insider, scooby3051 and weasel57 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,694 Report post Posted January 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Where’s that bloke who puts the boot into Te Akau hiding now ?? Have you banned him Scooby ? He is on the outer.... shaneMcAlister 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 27, 2020 14 hours ago, scooby3051 said: He is on the outer.... To be fair Scooby the twitter page has changed slightly and is now a pretty fair assessment of value for money for various horses , most of us can see horses like Dublin Rose sales history and race record burns money , Lethal is a big pile of burning money but Cool Aza Beel, Advantage is printing money , superb horses . He's just putting it up there in a fair minded manner now imho . shaneMcAlister 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjay 447 Report post Posted January 27, 2020 Te Akau spending big again, although mixed with some cheaper buys, the expensive purchases over 500k would need to race out of NZ to have any hope of a return I would suggest. Good luck to them. Rogerson still active for decent money as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, arjay said: Te Akau spending big again, although mixed with some cheaper buys, the expensive purchases over 500k would need to race out of NZ to have any hope of a return I would suggest. Good luck to them. Rogerson still active for decent money as well. Someone who would rather go big syndicator than have more of horse and more close involvement with a local trainer could do worse than 10 per cent of one of the 100 to 150 k range TA will have. Results suggest that's the sweet spot . Be a few years of fun covered for around 25k to 30k all in . Looking a results of some other big syndicators they are not in different league they are in different sport .Way way above . Some of the bigger price ones they appear to bleed some serious money on . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted January 28, 2020 Nothing has ever changed r buying a dream.every sale in world same.te akau no different to any other stable. U win some but mostly lose.u might be at Randwick or te teko.waller waterhouse moody purdon obrien.overall result the same.but it costs for golf, yachting skiing motor racing.its what u like no one makes you.every now and then th he dream comes true. fermoy, Breeder and JJ Flash 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, tim vince said: Nothing has ever changed r buying a dream.every sale in world same.te akau no different to any other stable. U win some but mostly lose.u might be at Randwick or te teko.waller waterhouse moody purdon obrien.overall result the same.but it costs for golf, yachting skiing motor racing.its what u like no one makes you.every now and then th he dream comes true. Agree to a point Tim but Coolmore team and O'Brien very very much win overall massively without doubt far and away the real winners in world racing .Outlay to income each year not many comes close in racing , profits huge . Te Akau Racing and breeding wouldn't be half a per cent of that team . JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted January 28, 2020 Okay.but owners mostly needto treat it as a hobby and a sport.like others sports.it is great if u get lucky.the 9nly thing we Don't need is a gfc. Red Rum 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus 9 511 Report post Posted January 28, 2020 And a nice touch for them to buy the last lot of Book One that had been passed in, but then sold before it left the ring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, tim vince said: Okay.but owners mostly needto treat it as a hobby and a sport.like others sports.it is great if u get lucky.the 9nly thing we Don't need is a gfc. Your right anything back is a bonus and chance of some great fun . It's a different model these syndicators to likes Coolmore . Syndicators once they have filled horses they have effectively turned a profit so the horses as yearly intake don't need to turn profit on track and later stud or sale as a whole . I doubt as a whole they do cover costs in this way . With the likes of Coolmore a yearly intake must overall turn a profit by racing, sale or stud because they own them , they might cop one dud year but too many and people get put under pump . As an example of Coolmore dominance worldwide this weekend is the El Derby in Chile . A big day in that country . Last year 16 runners , 12 were sired by Coolmore raced or horses they stand at stud .so the reach is wide . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,420 Report post Posted January 28, 2020 El derby sounds like my kind of day out. Red Rum 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted January 28, 2020 3 hours ago, tim vince said: Okay.but owners mostly needto treat it as a hobby and a sport.like others sports.it is great if u get lucky.the 9nly thing we Don't need is a gfc. There was a time the sales outcome would depend on the Australian economic situation. I go back to the sixties when T J Smith and Cummings dominated the buying. It was unthinkable that an NZ purchaser would out bid the Aussie's. Nowaday economics are much more universal. I get the impression Te Akau have made no allowance for the dark clouds circling such as climate change, forest fires the virus from China and many clued up economists predicting some sort of crash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted January 28, 2020 Bart and tj got in bother .racing the last to be paid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOODBINE 88 Report post Posted January 29, 2020 Te Akau should consider setting up an Australian stable so that many of their expensive yearlings can compete for proper prize money I note that Go Racing is expanding its Australian horse numbers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 30, 2020 18 hours ago, WOODBINE said: Te Akau should consider setting up an Australian stable so that many of their expensive yearlings can compete for proper prize money I note that Go Racing is expanding its Australian horse numbers Go Racing do well with the cheaper cast offs from UK from the Tatts October clear out , bit like Waller did to start with in OZ then he improved the quality once winners flowed . Vermair Syndicates seem quiet , don't seem to have anything of note now . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckenzie 600 Report post Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Red Rum said: Vermair Syndicates seem quiet , don't seem to have anything of note now . Not sure, their website is no longer there and facebook page hasn't been updated for almost a year. Red Rum 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted January 30, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 7:26 PM, WOODBINE said: Te Akau should consider setting up an Australian stable so that many of their expensive yearlings can compete for proper prize money I note that Go Racing is expanding its Australian horse numbers To be fair, I think that Te Akau have got it pretty spot on. When they have a good one in NZ that performs at top level, they are willing to have a go in Oz. Doesn’t always work but they usually send the good ones over. I think they’ve done pretty good. As for a satellite stable - maybe not necessary at the moment - as long as horse air transport is ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...