tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 Sung by the seekers if you are old enough to remember.and with 70 noms the interdoms over and a Cambridge double up Auckland struggling.noms left open till Wednesday.shame. eljay and Hermione 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,720 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 Don't worry - the cup carnival round the corner. Favs waiting in the wings Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 Programming an amateur race instead of a Monte would help Taku Umanga 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 Down to 69 nominations as of now - sad state of affairs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, tim vince said: Programming an amateur race instead of a Monte would help Agreed....I think they just have to do this type of thing to get the fields. Aussies still want our horses and most prepared to flick on horses that are not racing against similar standard here. I see Double or Nothing off overseas ,no doubt others too. I still can't understand why ATC and Cambridge don't work in closer with programming ,and a current register kept of horses ready and willing to race. Maybe they do ? Christmas at the Races with no horses ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie 326 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 6 hours ago, tim vince said: Sung by the seekers if you are old enough to remember Although I was an infant I do remember them Georgy Girl was their first Number 1 I think Everyone will probably now say they knew that, but they were an Aussie band Ah Tim, you've succeeded in making me feel even older than I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,868 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 They have just about enough horses to run 6 or 7 races. I have always thought harness racing's major problem was an inability to get horses through the grades, but when you can attract only 7 horses for a $15,000 maiden that must be a big worry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 Simon on the plane tonight Gary soon to be followed by one or 2 more of mine.i see no light at the end of the tunnel.its hard to stay optimistic in the face of increasing costs stagnant prize money and a handicapping system that hasn't delivered. Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 129 at northern sales seems to indicate by the time they race probably only half at best will be racing in north. So numbers going to get worse Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie 119 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 With such a lack of horse numbers, such a prosaic view by this new Board, and the previous, of not having amateur races is simply nuts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 Former President vetoed them.some hope with a couple 9f forward thinking committemen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,720 Report post Posted December 17, 2019 Should they have canned this meeting? 1 race of 6 acceptors, 4 of 7, 2 of 8 and just 1 over 10 (12) Any scratchings be disastrous. This must be worst ever - surely they no hope of even breaking even. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 18, 2019 No what signal would it send to those with horses.more reason to sell or just turn it up.if the meeting was wiped 4 of mine would h have been on the plane.remember they are bulk funded.thanks to the club from me for keeping faith with the average horse and trainers.also what about the Xmas sales of hospitality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie 119 Report post Posted December 18, 2019 They may seek wisdom from others in the industry and allow amateur races shortly, after all the last Board Member who had trouble reading and writing quit last week! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,720 Report post Posted December 18, 2019 Tim - it appears to be a lose/lose situation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted December 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, eljay said: Tim - it appears to be a lose/lose situation Lloyd ,as Tim says the stakes funding is bulk funding so basically they have the stakes allocated from RITA. Betting numbers not crucial in this ,though consistently poor figures would count against in future. I believe the Interdoms betting exceeded budget. Also the hospitality.....Christmas at the Races at the park has been advertised extensively for months and seems very busy ,especially on a Friday night so one can assume this week no different. Only 8 races and smaller fields and stakes will save some $. So its really a WIN/WIN. Of course the lack of horses has been a concern for some time and should be causing real palpitations. Waikato seems to have several meetings over next 5 weeks. My guess would be that the Jan 17 and Jan 24 meetings will need careful consideration by ATC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 18, 2019 Costs are the killer.stakes decent at the park.personally vets are massive expense for me.its te unknown.we know feed staff etc then bang a 10k vet bill which I experienced recently.the vehicles and so it goes on. I doubt many professional trainers in th he north are making anything but wages and probably under minimum if you count the hours .i don't know the answer.but getting harder and harder to entice owners. i see great operation like stone wall still trying to flog shares in febs yearlings.this is a terrific operation top trainer staff etc produce winners week after week.so what hope everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,720 Report post Posted December 18, 2019 Gary - if you think it's a win/win then good for you but I don't see it as such. A poor product will ultimately rebound on the industry. It may be bulk funded, but only 8 races means owners (and trainers/drivers through percentages) have missed out on stakes from 1 or 2 races which I can't smile and say is a win. Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, eljay said: Gary - if you think it's a win/win then good for you but I don't see it as such. A poor product will ultimately rebound on the industry. It may be bulk funded, but only 8 races means owners (and trainers/drivers through percentages) have missed out on stakes from 1 or 2 races which I can't smile and say is a win. My comment was really in response to your summary of 'no hope of breaking even' ! Sure its disappointing for the trainers and drivers ,especially the young ones hoping for a career but us owners are in the main 'losing'...its an expensive hobby....so we unlikely to be losing as numbers culled , sold to Aussie or racing in 7 horse fields. Tim has made that clear....he talks from experience . I too can talk you thru a bit of reality in that regard as well. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,868 Report post Posted December 18, 2019 3 hours ago, tim vince said: i see great operation like stone wall still trying to flog shares in febs yearlings.this is a terrific operation top trainer staff etc produce winners week after week.so what hope everyone else. Is that the outfit that was advertising 2yos with training fees of about $40,000 a year from memory? Must be pretty blood hard to get people interested at that rate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelli 434 Report post Posted December 19, 2019 As an owner of a horse at Auckland tomorrow night I say thanks to ATC for running 8 races. It still gives those partying at the Park some races to watch and while 90% mightn't know a pacer from the trotter, there will be a few who will return to the track and perhaps even eventually catch the bug and take a share in a horse. As mentioned above, ATC is keeping the faith with owners and we've a better chance than normal of getting a stake. tasman man 11, Iraklis, JJ Flash and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,136 Report post Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/17/2019 at 2:20 PM, tim vince said: Sung by the seekers if you are old enough to remember.and with 70 noms the interdoms over and a Cambridge double up Auckland struggling.noms left open till Wednesday.shame. Judith Durham was a wonderful singer in that era. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Hogg 320 Report post Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Judith Durham was a wonderful singer in that era. Hi JJ You most probably know this bit of useless info .In 1967 the Seekers home coming concert in Melbourne had the biggest crowd ever 200000 ,of all the incredible bands that have toured Aussie that record still stands . I'm an ACDC fan but Judith Durham has a voice that would make angels weep .Cheers BH Pam Robson and JJ Flash 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef 74 Report post Posted December 19, 2019 Judith Durham, as Boss Hogg stated, truly had an unbelievable voice. But she was multi talented. Go on to You-Tube and look at her piano playing ability. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused 4 Report post Posted December 19, 2019 I have a small interest in 3 horses that went around Auckland 13/12.When they were not in a Cambridge field for 19/12 I assumed all or some would be racing at Auckland the following night which would of course been a help to boost numbers. However, none of them were, despite there being suitable races programmed Now the point of this post, in keeping with the problem with harness racing kind of theme is that I have heard nothing at all from the trainer since 13/12, so I have no idea why they were not nominated, and it is pointless asking him as I am usually ignored. Maybe there is a valid reason, but how would I know? I know this topic has probably been done to death before, but while I am only a small fry, I do fork out about $500 a month in training fees for a number of horses and am disillusioned with being left in the dark and the lack of communication. I will be phasing out of harness ownership as my current commitments wind up and focusing on other codes where I get treated better. Iraklis, tasman man 11 and JJ Flash 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...