Tauhei Notts 1,409 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 This Bill is due to have its first reading before the Christmas break. I have only spent 40 minutes studying it, but the wording brought to mind the actions of the Bolshevics in Russia circa 1918 - 1923. I am rather perturbed by all racing club's land and buildings being seized by an outfit with its head office in Jackson Street, Petone. Lenin tried that game once, and it went okay until 1989 when it all came tumbling down. Lenin was successful because all those who disagreed with him spent the rest of their lives on holiday in Siberia. I would dearly love to see an interpretation of the Bill prepared by somebody with a legal knowledge vastly superior to my limited skills. Pam Robson, dock leaf, Huey and 3 others 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyisit 232 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Tauhei Notts said: This Bill is due to have its first reading before the Christmas break. I have only spent 40 minutes studying it, but the wording brought to mind the actions of the Bolshevics in Russia circa 1918 - 1923. I am rather perturbed by all racing club's land and buildings being seized by an outfit with its head office in Jackson Street, Petone. Lenin tried that game once, and it went okay until 1989 when it all came tumbling down. Lenin was successful because all those who disagreed with him spent the rest of their lives on holiday in Siberia. I would dearly love to see an interpretation of the Bill prepared by somebody with a legal knowledge vastly superior to my limited skills. I think you have got it summed up okay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phar Lap Fan 103 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Contemplating acquisition or 'nationalization' of racecourses, which mostly belong to racing clubs, is just too bizarre for words. What authority would they use - the Public Works Act? Should result in more legal action than the leaky homes saga. Would transferring ownership of the assets to another entity seem a smart move by clubs to frustrate the power-crazed bean-counters? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,132 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Bills reading may be heard this Tuesday if the noise is correct Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Parliament is in fact the senior court in the land. If an act to take over the land of all racing clubs is passed then that will be the law. It's exactly in keeping with the Messara report Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,132 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 Be interesting to see how the Greens can justify voting yes on this act given their stance on matters of animal welfare etc. I mean they are an anti most things type of party at best Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,132 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Except weed ... they’re very pro weed And having foreigners near the top if party list. Even had Russell the Ozzie leader there as well Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 Perhaps Helen will join the greens Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,132 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, eljay said: Perhaps Helen will join the greens What , shes too busy signing paintings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjay 451 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 Get your tie downs strapped on, this is going to get very messy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyisit 232 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Phar Lap Fan said: Contemplating acquisition or 'nationalization' of racecourses, which mostly belong to racing clubs, is just too bizarre for words. What authority would they use - the Public Works Act? Should result in more legal action than the leaky homes saga. Would transferring ownership of the assets to another entity seem a smart move by clubs to frustrate the power-crazed bean-counters? Have you read the proposed amendment everything is covered regardless whether it’s legal or not. It’s a case of we make the laws and you can take us to court to prove we are wrong . Read the DIA précis on some of the amendments they foresee litigation. It’s on the other channel to peruse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,132 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 Interesting times ahead. A case of what Winnie wants Winnie gets perhaps???????? Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Whyisit said: Have you read the proposed amendment everything is covered regardless whether it’s legal or not. It’s a case of we make the laws and you can take us to court to prove we are wrong . Read the DIA précis on some of the amendments they foresee litigation. It’s on the other channel to peruse. Since I posted it there, I'll post it here as well in case people don't want to go there. From: https://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/Files/RIA-Racing-industry-Reforms/$file/RIA-Racing-Industry-Reforms-Bill-No-2-December-2019.pdf It doesn't look like the DIA entirely agree with this and seriously question whether it is legal though they wrote the legislation. From the latest RIA: The property proposals are also largely based on the recommendations of the Messara report. The RIA notes that the proposals involve interference with the property rights of racing clubs. This raises issues under the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990, including whether such interference can be justified, and a risk of litigation. Time constraints have limited the ability to fully investigate the impacts on the clubs concerned and their associated communities. The limitations affect the assessment of likely benefits and the evidence certainty that net benefits will accrue. Cabinet has noted that care needs to be taken to shift the industry balance towards a commercial focus while still acknowledging its community underpinning and it is important that implementation of the reforms meets both these objectives. Stakeholders were consulted on similar proposals in the Messara report, which attracted widespread negative comment. The alternative proposals set out in this RIA have not been consulted on publicly and engaging openly with stakeholders throughout the process will be critical to the prospects of success for the reforms. This option addresses the problem of underutilised assets at clubs that do not race. However, the creation of a power for a code to wind up a club that does not race would be a significant incursion of a club’s rights of association and, due to the vesting of the assets, common law property rights 253. The proposals do not impinge on individual autonomy or responsibility. However, the preferred options have impacts on property rights of clubs, which have potential NZBORA implications given racing clubs’ status as legal persons. In addition, the proposals impact on a club’s right of association and right to peaceful assembly. Tauhei Notts, CommonSensical, Huey and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,400 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 11 hours ago, poundforpound said: Doubt it ... watch Avondale and Te Rapa .. they’ll never surrender their assets National will likely chime in now and declare that as a part of their election manifesto they’ll repeal this land grab from the hard working clubs... there’s 25000 votes right there ... the fun is only just starting RITA will just not give them a licence to race and its game over. And i've heard the threat has been issued. To be honest many of the clubs dont deserve to continue. Lack of incentive has seen them become brain dead exec and hangers on pissing up at the members expense and putting licence holders in jeopardy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nerula said: RITA will just not give them a licence to race and its game over. And i've heard the threat has been issued. To be honest many of the clubs dont deserve to continue. Lack of incentive has seen them become brain dead exec and hangers on pissing up at the members expense and putting licence holders in jeopardy. Which clubs are you actually referring to there? It sounds like you are describing many of the major metropolitan clubs, whereas it is the smaller community clubs that are largely proposed for closure; plus Avondale and Te Rapa of course, but I suppose they are communities as well. Huey, Pam Robson and napier 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,400 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 No not picking on the smaller clubs. They are in the main run fairly tight from what I have heard. Take Waverley for example, the local farmers each raise a beef cattle a year. The proceeds go to the club and thats great. Country people get stuck in. We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardentbuzz 31 Report post Posted December 9, 2019 I understand Waverley is not one of the clubs due to be closed as they do not own the land so have nothing to gain from it I think they may rent their land for peppercorn rental from the ratepayers This could apply to a few others as well JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,824 Report post Posted December 10, 2019 A quick comment while still conscious...so might not have this right.... The code decides to ask the Registrar of Societies to take away a licence to race from a Club, then say they are not honouring their responsibilities because they are no longer "active", then says we now want all your land and assets for the betterment of.....the same code that has just shafted you...??! I can imagine the two fingered salute and two word response that clubs like Avondale and Te Rapa would be giving. And is there anything to stop member clubs becoming other entities outside of racing....golf clubs, bowling, polo, old peoples homes, real estate developments...??? This will get very messy if it ever sees the light of day. "Contrary to natural justice" as the report says, doesn't come close. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,409 Report post Posted December 10, 2019 Leggy, thank you for bringing that Department of Internal Affairs 114 page report to our attention. Nobody with superior legal expertise has contributed so far, so I might just have to give it a go. But in a later contribution, damn it. BUT; I recall a comment made many years ago, possibly by one of the Roosevelt people who said; "A government that is big enough to give you everything you want will also be big enough to take away everything you have got." I have never ever been a member of any Civil Liberties group, but the measures outlined in the Bill and in the DIA paper raise a few hackles with me about a breach of civil liberties. I can see the irony in the Avondale Jockey Club having to run their Anzac Day meeting at Ellerslie or Pukekohe. I think Anzac Day commemorates those people who fought to ensure the continuance of our civil liberties. von Smallhaussen, Pam Robson, Patiti and 2 others 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,400 Report post Posted December 10, 2019 Avondale is kind of rooted for a takeover. The inner is designated parks and reserves and used for junior rugby. So dear old Phil Goof wont be happy and all the adjacent pollies are Labour except for Paula Zipitsweetie. But they could put social housing around the perimeter when Kiwibuild cranks up in 50 years. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted December 11, 2019 Wily Winston certainly learnt well at the knee of his erstwhile mentor Rob Muldoon. Under the proposed Racing Bill there is provision for the Racing Minister to recommend that an Order In Council can be used if Clubs refuse to hand over their property or assets. This provision is a great leap backwards to Muldoonism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted December 11, 2019 Hilarious introduction of the bill. Winnie sat down and didn't get to even speak to it! Single malt? RACING INDUSTRY BILL First Reading Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Minister for Racing): I move, That the Racing Industry Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Transport and Infrastructure Committee to consider the bill. At the appropriate time I intend to move that the bill be reported to the House by 17 April 2020. SPEAKER: The question is, that the motion be agreed to. Rt Hon Winston Peters: Mr Speaker? SPEAKER: No, no. The member sat down. Whyisit 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted December 11, 2019 https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20191210_20191210_20/tab/video?page=9&mode=form Patiti and Baz (NZ) 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted December 13, 2019 https://www.westlanddc.govt.nz/sites/default/files/12.12.19 - Report to Council - Westland Racing Club Purchase of Land.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,942 Report post Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, rdytdy said: https://www.westlanddc.govt.nz/sites/default/files/12.12.19 - Report to Council - Westland Racing Club Purchase of Land.pdf The first of many is my guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...