JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 Bugger all the apologists out there but she should get a month plus for her ride on the big shortner in the first at Riverton. Had it all sewn up and decided that riding it out to the actual finish line is what others do. Its not the first time she has done it either, i know shes an apprentice but has been around for ages and should have some idea how to ride a finish by now, even if its only hands and heels. And no, i did not punt it but know plenty that did on both islands. Greg dock leaf and THE TORCH 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,547 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 She's a senior now, not an apprentice. She has a very good record, but isn't flash with the stick ; I've often wondered why she bothers using it at all, she seems to lose her way when she flaps about with it. With the whip debate going on, I think she'd be better to try and develop a more vigorous pushing style and forget the stick altogether. chelseacol, gubellini and JJ Flash 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patiti 274 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 Fairly average ride in the last. Looked like the horse had much more to give over the last 150 but wasn't pushed. Winner probably would have bombed them anyway. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 The RIU missed the whole episode if you look in the Stewards report. How Frickin blind are they, no wonder people dont bet down south and you cant blame them. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampfox 94 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 off the subject jj watched the replay what concerned me was the clerk of courses horses just about a collision after winning post JJ Flash and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: The RIU missed the whole episode if you look in the Stewards report. How Frickin blind are they, no wonder people dont bet down south and you cant blame them. Greg Hey Flash it looked to me the horse maintained its tempo through the line ? If i backed it i wouldnt of been blaming Tina and although Moseley got busy late i would even suggest he didnt really need to Just my observation and like you nothing on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 11 hours ago, swampfox said: off the subject jj watched the replay what concerned me was the clerk of courses horses just about a collision after winning post Yes I also saw that. The meeting was an amateur shambles. IMHO Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted December 5, 2019 12 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Yes I also saw that. The meeting was an amateur shambles. IMHO Greg Your opinion is one thing Greg and you are entitled, but is that opinion really worthy of slagging Tina? Id suggest you watch the tace a few more times and then apologise Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted December 5, 2019 15 hours ago, Gruff said: Your opinion is one thing Greg and you are entitled, but is that opinion really worthy of slagging Tina? Id suggest you watch the tace a few more times and then apologise Dont talk absolute rubbish , she dropped her hands 50 metres from post and clearly did not ride it out to the finish line. Also, Im not alone as a few prominent trainers all agreed with me about the performance. I figure the apologists out there would stick up for her but whats the point in having rules if you dont police them them . I am just so pleased i did not punt it. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjay 451 Report post Posted December 5, 2019 She sure stopped riding, no doubt, saw the other horse coming too late, did try to push late for 2 strides, and I was on the winner. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, arjay said: She sure stopped riding, no doubt, saw the other horse coming too late, did try to push late for 2 strides, and I was on the winner. Thanks Arjay, the head on gave it away as much as side on but RIU never saw a thing, incompetent on this occasiion IMHO Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badger 96 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 Flash you are correct she did drop her hands, I dont know why the RIU didnt get involved maybe, with the way things are going for them at the present time they are taking a back seat. Look at harness racing, Mark P fined only 300 for not driving a horse out at the finish then is caught again maybe involved in team driving in the ID heats nothing has come out about that at this stage. I think that the decision on race 2 at Auckland is another cock up the RIU and the JCA seem to be hellbent on trying to be nice people but they are letting down the owners, punters and race goers and it needs to be sorted out ASAP. I understand this is one of the issues that RITA was going to have serious look at. THE TORCH and JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 34 minutes ago, badger said: I dont know why the RIU didnt get involved maybe, with the way things are going for them at the present time they are taking a back seat. Well if that's the case then perhaps it time for a change of culture at the RIU and that starts at the top. The recent Ellerslie decision was another shambles and nearly as bad as the Vieneta case. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 8 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Dont talk absolute rubbish , she dropped her hands 50 metres from post and clearly did not ride it out to the finish line. Also, Im not alone as a few prominent trainers all agreed with me about the performance. I figure the apologists out there would stick up for her but whats the point in having rules if you dont police them them . I am just so pleased i did not punt it. Greg Im no apologist. This horse was flat out, you make it sound like it went to the line with something up its sleeve, it did not. If this was worth a month off others weve seen deserve years. Mountain out of a molehill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 9 hours ago, arjay said: She sure stopped riding, no doubt, saw the other horse coming too late, did try to push late for 2 strides, and I was on the winner. Watch from the 2.24 mark on the video,you cant beat that for a close-up.... no wonder the stipes didnt miss Tina ‘dropping her hands Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Gruff said: Im no apologist. This horse was flat out, you make it sound like it went to the line with something up its sleeve, it did not. If this was worth a month off others weve seen deserve years. Mountain out of a molehill Ok Mr RIU. You'll get a bonus for this effort We will just have to agree to disagree Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Ok Mr RIU. You'll get a bonus for this effort We will just have to agree to disagree Greg We all make mistakes Greg, and the RIU make more than their fair share This incident looked uglier than it was , and mainly because the winner hit the line looking like it could of gone around again . Good to see you post opinions on matters like these all the same Greg,. All the best JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...