ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 ON THE PUNTERS LOUNGE BP OUR RESIDENT NORTHERN TIPSTER HAD THE FOLLOWING SELECTIONS BY RACE. RACE 1 7 , 1 , 6 , 3 RACE 2 7 , 3 , 9 , 1 RACE 3 1 , 5 , 3 , 7 RACE 4 4 , 2 , 1 , 11 RACE 5 3 , 1 , 5 , 7 RACE 6 10 , 11 ,4 , 5 RACE 7 3 , 1 , 4 , 5 SO HOW WOULD WE GET ON IF WE FOLLOWED THIS ADVISE. ( NOTE THERE WERE ONLY THE 7 BRACES COVERED ) WE WILL PUT $100 TO WIN ON THE FIRST PICK , $100 A PLACE ON ALL 4 RUNNERS IN EACH RACE , ALONG WITH $1 BOXED , QUINELLA , TRIFECTA AND FIRST FOUR WHICH IS $554 PER RACE. Shad 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 GOT THE OTHER PICKS OFF THE TAB WEB SITE........... AS FOLLOWS ON THE PUNTERS LOUNGE BP OUR RESIDENT NORTHERN TIPSTER HAD THE FOLLOWING SELECTIONS BY RACE. RACE 1 7 , 1 , 6 , 3 RACE 2 7 , 3 , 9 , 1 RACE 3 1 , 5 , 3 , 7 RACE 4 4 , 2 , 1 , 11 RACE 5 3 , 1 , 5 , 7 RACE 6 2 , 7 , 14 ,13 RACE 7 10 , 11 ,4 , 5 RACE 8 3 , 1 , 4 , 5 RACE 9 20 , 21 , 11 , 5 SO HOW WOULD WE GET ON IF WE FOLLOWED THIS ADVISE. ( NOTE THERE WERE ONLY THE 7 BRACES COVERED ) WE WILL PUT $100 TO WIN ON THE FIRST PICK , $100 A PLACE ON ALL 4 RUNNERS IN EACH RACE , ALONG WITH $1 BOXED , QUINELLA , TRIFECTA AND FIRST FOUR WHICH IS $554 PER RACE. Shad and ADM 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 RESULTS ON THE PUNTERS LOUNGE BP OUR RESIDENT NORTHERN TIPSTER HAD THE FOLLOWING SELECTIONS BY RACE. RACE 1 7 , 1 , 6 , 3 $2.10 + $1.30 = $340/$554 = LOSS $214 RACE 2 7 , 2 , 9 , 1 $1.60 = $160/ $554 = LOSS $394 RACE 3 1 , 5 , 3 , 7 $1.60 + $350 = $510/$554 = LOSS $44.00 RACE 4 4 , 2 , 1 , 11 $1.30 = $130/$554 = LOSS $424 RACE 5 3 , 1 , 5 , 7 $1.40 + $1.80 = $320/$554 = LOSS $234 RACE 6 2 , 7 , 14 ,13 $2.00 + $2.90 + QUIN $20.50 = $510.50 = $510.50/$554 = LOSS $43.5 RACE 7 10 , 11 ,4 , 5 = LOSS $554 RACE 8 3 , 1 , 4 , 5 = LOSS $554 RACE 9 20 , 21 , 11 , 5 $1.80 +$1.30 + $2.00 = $510/$554 = LOSS $44 ONE FIRST PICK WON ...............NETT LOSS $2505.50 WE PUT $100 TO WIN ON THE FIRST PICK , $100 A PLACE ON ALL 4 RUNNERS IN EACH RACE , ALONG WITH $1 BOXED , QUINELLA , TRIFECTA AND FIRST FOUR WHICH IS $554 PER RACE. Red Rum 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, ivanthegreat said: RESULTS ON THE PUNTERS LOUNGE BP OUR RESIDENT NORTHERN TIPSTER HAD THE FOLLOWING SELECTIONS BY RACE. RACE 1 7 , 1 , 6 , 3 $2.10 + $1.30 = $340/$554 = LOSS $214 RACE 2 7 , 2 , 9 , 1 $1.60 = $160/ $554 = LOSS $394 RACE 3 1 , 5 , 3 , 7 $1.60 + $350 = $510/$554 = LOSS $44.00 RACE 4 4 , 2 , 1 , 11 $1.30 = $130/$554 = LOSS $424 RACE 5 3 , 1 , 5 , 7 $1.40 + $1.80 = $320/$554 = LOSS $234 RACE 6 2 , 7 , 14 ,13 $2.00 + $2.90 + QUIN $20.50 = $510.50 = $510.50/$554 = LOSS $43.5 RACE 7 10 , 11 ,4 , 5 = LOSS $554 RACE 8 3 , 1 , 4 , 5 = LOSS $554 RACE 9 20 , 21 , 11 , 5 $1.80 +$1.30 + $2.00 = $510/$554 = LOSS $44 ONE FIRST PICK WON ...............NETT LOSS $2505.50 WE PUT $100 TO WIN ON THE FIRST PICK , $100 A PLACE ON ALL 4 RUNNERS IN EACH RACE , ALONG WITH $1 BOXED , QUINELLA , TRIFECTA AND FIRST FOUR WHICH IS $554 PER RACE. They try their best , everyone has there favorites I suppose . I really only listen to Steve Davies, The Dufficy and the people on Get On . I did used to like Luke Radich . He talks sense . That's a poor performance today , 1.80 winner , we all have bad days at the office I suppose The reality is anyone who takes a decent interest in form , stable news , riding engagements etc etc usually has their own ways of punting and most punters no better or no worse than the tipsters on TV bar a few standouts tipsters and punters . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 Your own opinion, is just good as the next person, I don't take notice to any of them, that way you can only blame yourself. arjay and Baz (NZ) 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, poundforpound said: He’s only doing his job, and no Trackside presenter is ever going to get it consistently right, they’ll have the odd good day but like every other punter they’ll have far more bad days than good so I can’t quite see the point in this thread. Cheers , Here's to mediocrity ............... we live in a results orientated world , how do you measure tipster performance ? JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 They are not tips they are selections totally different in my opinion Baz (NZ), THE TORCH, kdt and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 Pukekohe today. My gripe is always a bit different. In the last race Swords Drawn was balloted out #4 on the ballot. This was a very much in form horse as the tote showed; he started 5 to 4 on favourite. Once upon a time the Club's ballot committee would decide which horses would be balloted out. In those long ago days there is no way they would have had a horse like that at #4 on he ballot. If he was going start at $20 that is understandable, but "odds on"!!! The second horse was #5 on the ballot, but he ran much better than his form had disclosed, and his odds accordingly. Swords Drawn won paying $1.80 to win. Whoever did the ballot on that race knows a hell of a lot more about tramping in the Tararua Ranges than they know about horse racing. But, when we give that job to mountaineers from Petone, we get a ballot like we saw. It would have been a travesty if such a good looking up and coming racehorse was denied a start today. The ballot is decided from the ratings. There are some rare times in life when one must grab a cup of coffee, a writing pad and a pen and say; "The ratings make this look stupid." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Tauhei Notts said: Pukekohe today. My gripe is always a bit different. In the last race Swords Drawn was balloted out #4 on the ballot. This was a very much in form horse as the tote showed; he started 5 to 4 on favourite. Once upon a time the Club's ballot committee would decide which horses would be balloted out. In those long ago days there is no way they would have had a horse like that at #4 on he ballot. If he was going start at $20 that is understandable, but "odds on"!!! The second horse was #5 on the ballot, but he ran much better than his form had disclosed, and his odds accordingly. Swords Drawn won paying $1.80 to win. Whoever did the ballot on that race knows a hell of a lot more about tramping in the Tararua Ranges than they know about horse racing. But, when we give that job to mountaineers from Petone, we get a ballot like we saw. It would have been a travesty if such a good looking up and coming racehorse was denied a start today. The ballot is decided from the ratings. There are some rare times in life when one must grab a cup of coffee, a writing pad and a pen and say; "The ratings make this look stupid." It was a rating 65 horse racing out of its grade so what do you expect t when it’s one of the lowest rated horses in the field ? It’s formline is irrelevant. Your suggestion of a clubs committee would be open to the looking after your mates syndrome and doing favours etc no thanks . THE TORCH and weasel57 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 17 hours ago, poundforpound said: He’s only doing his job, and no Trackside presenter is ever going to get it consistently right, they’ll have the odd good day but like every other punter they’ll have far more bad days than good so I can’t quite see the point in this thread. The problem that you have is these blokes only talk about betting and the merits of bets and their so called tipping prowess. If you sell the program on betting, then you'd like to capture your audience because you're good at that. They're not so they should keep away from it and concentrate on the horse. If you market placing bets on tips given by so called experts, and in 28 chances you only get 14 in the frame, and this has been a norm, then stop it. Sell the program on the horse, breeding, people and the love of the animal. Baz (NZ), Red Rum, Leggy and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukkledragga 229 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 18 hours ago, ivanthegreat said: Cheers , Here's to mediocrity ............... we live in a results orientated world , how do you measure tipster performance ? Just out of curiosity, how well did santas picks go now that they are back until xmas across all codes.A single pick per race, easy peasy for all punters , new and old and has had good results historically Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHindsight 117 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 One day is a small sample but maybe you should try turn it into something good and lay the selections. Think how much time you could save with someone else doing all the hard work . ivanthegreat 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 22 hours ago, poundforpound said: He’s only doing his job, and no Trackside presenter is ever going to get it consistently right, they’ll have the odd good day but like every other punter they’ll have far more bad days than good so I can’t quite see the point in this thread. Correct. If you think BP is bad I suggest you NEVER listen to J Chapman tips in HKG. And she would be paid mega multiples more than BP. IMHO Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
voice of reason 83 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 these guy get 4 picks per race ,so therefore it is fair to scrutinise their performance ivanthegreat 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzim 338 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 To be fair to these guys they have to pick 4 horses in every race even if they don’t like the race.The Get On programme from Aussie do it best .They talk about each race but only tip one if they think it’s worth a bet. Hall and Gruff 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlahan's Dream 520 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 Let's be honest, how many of us would bet in every race on a programme and hope to do well? Some of those rating 65 or early 3 yo maiden races are just.....impossible. And even with the exposed form something like Yearn comes out and pays $10. But I suppose the format of the job means you cannot say 'look, this race is a minefield, keep your money in your pocket!' Interesting discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Houlahan's Dream said: Let's be honest, how many of us would bet in every race on a programme and hope to do well? Some of those rating 65 or early 3 yo maiden races are just.....impossible. And even with the exposed form something like Yearn comes out and pays $10. But I suppose the format of the job means you cannot say 'look, this race is a minefield, keep your money in your pocket!' Interesting discussion. They got to fill time I know but it's the bullshit they come out with , mapping this and that. , presents well this and that . In old days you look at field , go right that horse a front runner , that comes with late rattle . How will draw/track suit . Now every horse has to get mapped in a exact science in order .They no better selecting than most of us but fair credit to people that earn a living out of their hobby , good on them. When I head to races I sometimes after meeting go threw the selections grid , it's reassures me they are just as hopeless as me . Cheers me up no end after a poor day , misery loves company . We're Doomed and weasel57 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 Selecting every race every day is not easy and BP has been in pretty good form from memory. One day in isolation is pretty tough and it probably wasn't the easiest of days at Counties. Best Bets had two selectors picking on the day with four selections in each race : R1 One had Justamiz as 4th selection R2 One had Magnum as 4th selection R3 Neither had Unition R4 Neither had Raposa Rapida R5 One had Yearn as 4th selection. R6 One had Familia first selection R7 One had In A Twinkling as 4th selection R8 Neither had It's Destinys Child R9 One had Sword's Drawn as 2nd selection Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter R S 408 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Houlahan's Dream said: But I suppose the format of the job means you cannot say 'look, this race is a minefield, keep your money in your pocket!' Their job is to encourage betting, so more often we hear “so if you like one, get into it.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 Isnt the best way to encourage betting or ‘having a play’ or ‘playing into’ to show the viewer you can back up the talk with some results? Not getting at BP he does a good job generally, even the great Lance Osullivan calls himself the worlds worst tipster so what chance do others have The best approach is to break down the field and stay out of labelling one unless your confident, and BP does a good job at this.... and if you didnt back Peace train yesterday you need to start paying more attention , these results show that with some invested time you can improve your chances in a sport of many variables. BP will probably pick the card on Wednesday at Rotorua Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 16 hours ago, poundforpound said: Sort of agree......but if it’s magazine style warm fuzzies as described by you where does the revenue driver come from ? From a tipping perspective NZ Trackside is no different to other racing jurisdictions is it ? Anyway you should be doing your own homework if you’re punting ......then you only have yourself to blame if you lose We've seen racing's fortunes go down the gurgler in slow motion and the arrest is not in sight. One thing in common is that the television (or computer) is the shop front window for the sport. Universally the horse is referred to as the "product" and that betting has taken centre stage. Is there something wrong with my brain, or you tell me, if something doesn't work, aren't you meant to fix it? If this attitude of using the "product" in a particular way to sell betting isn't working, wouldn't you change it? The racing industry is all about the horse and the people associated with it, with the owner being King Kong. My memory is slowing becoming toast and in the yesteryear I knew the pedigree, breeding and colours of all the horses racing. My brain was sort of able to imagine the matrix of which horses matched which horses. The reason I got this is that I worked in a stable, or did the barriers, or went to the races, or owned a number, and that provided me with continuous imports of data which made me remember horses enough to maintain an interest. There was also an emphasis on who bred them and owned them, and these data entries helped me remember. Every little bit of info is another chance of prompting my memory to remember a particular horse. The expression familiarisation comes to mind. Now we've lost all of that. Don't even have the owners in the TAB race card. The drone of monotone syllables and sentences with no passion, talking about betting and some weird interpretation on race form is not capturing my imagination or interest. I don't get why nobody doesn't get that. Maybe I should be committing myself to some sort of health clinic while the industry continues to make a success of itself. THE TORCH 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted November 24, 2019 Trackside TV presenters invariably put the race favourite top of their selections.Give or take favourites win 35% of WFA or fixed weight races and 25% of handicaps. Little wonder they have trouble picking winners just like the rest of us! Another batch of stats: About 20% of winners win their next start. About 16% of second placers win their next start. About 12% of third placers win their next start. These stats exclude first starters of course.Stats don’t lie! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,084 Report post Posted November 25, 2019 Which means the dartboard is right in the mix when it comes to picking winners. ivanthegreat 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted November 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Blue said: Which means the dartboard is right in the mix when it comes to picking winners. You would of been shit out of luck in the Melbourne Cup then Bluey Basil brush 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted November 25, 2019 .... looks like easybets and Earl Harrisons Joker the only way to go then Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...