Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted November 13, 2019 While still early days, it is hard to have any feeling other than revulsion for this bloke, who has for some reason still got name suppression ( despite it being plastered all over UK paper websites ) while continuing this charade of innocence. Apart from the obvious lies, and his apparent lack of knowledge of CCTV these days, his behaviour has been appalling. Who goes through a date's purse while she is in the loo...?? Says a lot about character. And if this was "an accident" as the defence is saying...wouldn't any decent person own up and say so....instead of looking at porn, potential body sites, taking photos, and then arranging another date.....????!!! There's a lot more as the article says.... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12284844 You have to feel sorry for Grace's parents sitting there listening to all this...must be heart wrenching. Hopefully they get the right result and closure. I'll be surprised if this person does not have previous form when he finally gets named. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted November 13, 2019 If/Once found guilty, One would think a nice welcome is awaiting inside? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flockofewes2 216 Report post Posted November 13, 2019 can't see him being found guilty of ...murder. Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted November 13, 2019 The other evidence given about this strangulation stuff during sex makes you wonder if he was seeing how far he could go....one had to feign unconsciousness to get him off her....was he leading up to actually killing someone or was Grace just the unlucky one..? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 9:05 AM, flockofewes2 said: can't see him being found guilty of ...murder. ...on the information we have .... but is there more Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Heap 481 Report post Posted November 18, 2019 The Lawyer for the accused has now played the "My client wont take the stand" card. This is now common practice in NZ murder trials. It's done to prevent the accused being shown in a bad light by needing to alter his story to fit the facts, such as David Bain had to do in his initial trial. Taking a line through Bain's retrial and the trials of Chris Kahui and MacDonald from Feilding, I think the jury would struggle to find this fellow guilty of murder. They will likely agree he most probably did murder her, but can't be 100% certain of this. So its "Not Guilty"..........I hope I'm wrong. because his action "post-death, read like a man with a guilty secret, that he's looking to cover up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Heap 481 Report post Posted November 19, 2019 Then the defence come up with their next big card - The overseas expert (usually from Britain) - who looks to place doubt on the findings of any NZ expert for the Prosecution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 The right result for mine...why the name suppression....?? https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117624172/grace-millane-trial-tinder-date-found-guilty-of-murdering-of-british-backpacker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 12:04 PM, Uriah Heap said: The Lawyer for the accused has now played the "My client wont take the stand" card. This is now common practice in NZ murder trials. It's done to prevent the accused being shown in a bad light by needing to alter his story to fit the facts, such as David Bain had to do in his initial trial. Taking a line through Bain's retrial and the trials of Chris Kahui and MacDonald from Feilding, I think the jury would struggle to find this fellow guilty of murder. They will likely agree he most probably did murder her, but can't be 100% certain of this. So its "Not Guilty"..........I hope I'm wrong. because his action "post-death, read like a man with a guilty secret, that he's looking to cover up. Guilty all day long Uriah....this name supression thing continues...makes you wonder whether he has form. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackPoonDrinkGoon 93 Report post Posted January 19, 2020 https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118902349/grace-millane-murder-auckland-businessman-charged-with-naming-her-killer Leo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted January 21, 2020 Broadcaster and former australian Senator Derryn Hinch, went to jail for publicly naming Pardophiles who had been given name suppression. He named them out of “principle” and against the name suppression laws of Australia. After being jailed, he ran for an Independant Federal Senate seat on a ticket concerned with this issue. He was successful and became a Senator. Sometimes, brave people come forward and step up to the plate when the community’s (public) expectation is not being met by authorities, especially politicians and lawmakers. When community expectation is not met, often due to archaic and out of step laws, then one can only admire those select individuals who have the courage to stand up for all of us! To that end, persons like Derryn Hinch and the accused in relation to the Grace case - should be admired. Those that should be charged are those that have the power and responsibility to listen to the electorate and change archaic laws, so that they are more in step with community expectations in the 21st century - but sit on their fat butts and do nothing! scooby3051 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...