Blue 1,085 Report post Posted October 21, 2019 Invariably names crop up again. I see a horse in the States under the name Firing Line. We had a 'Firing Line' farm hack back in the 50's and I recall something by him winning a few races in that era. Used to know the mare too but the memory's a bit faded. Do you have any info on him just for interests sake please. Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted October 21, 2019 Firing Line (Foxbridge - Caliente) was at Mr H.B. Jefford's place at Manga-iti, Tokomaru Bay, according to volume 4 of the Register of Thoroughbred Stallions of new Zealand dated May 1960. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 21, 2019 Blue Firing Line was bred in 1945 by Foxbridge out of Caliente who was by Polazel out of Phar Lap’s full sister Fortune’s Wheel. He was owned by JL Webb and trained at Takanini by FE Hall. He raced 38 times for only one win. Remarkably that was at Avondale on the 14/1/50 when he won the Bollard Memorial over 11 furlongs creating a then NZ Record of 2.15.6. Larry Wiggins the jockey. From limited opportunities at stud he sired three winners. Remarkably they won 21 races between them. Backfire an East Coast specialist won 10. Awol 6 and Deep Stream 5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 21, 2019 Tauhei Notts correct. His owner JLWebb stood him briefly at Manurewa but then he was relocated to Tokomaru Bay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,085 Report post Posted October 21, 2019 Thanks Gubes. Backfire was the horse I was thinking of and did Alec Charlston from Te Awamutu have Deep Stream? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 21, 2019 Blue yes Deep Stream was owned and trained by Alec Charleston a well known Amateur Rider. Trained at Karamu. His last win was the 1964 Pakuranga Cup owned, trained and ridden by Alec. Gold Tie and Baggy Hillis second. Rethea and Jim Gibbs third and Braemar and Jim Hely fourth. Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 22, 2019 Blue a correction. Backfire won 12 races from his 71 starts. His first win was as a 2yo at Gisborne on the 8/5/65 ridden by Don Foley. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel57 429 Report post Posted October 23, 2019 I love all this historical stuff...you guys have got all the info! So, as a complete curiosity...what can you tell me about a horse I remember from the late 1970s-early 1980s called STAR DELTA ...all i can recall is that Jim Gibbs trained it at Matamata, and it raced here and in Oz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 23, 2019 weasel57 Star Delta was bred in 1973 by Sugar Apple out of the Bellborough mare Jenna Lee. Still researching but I think he won five races including the VRC Cup Day Hurdles at Flemington. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Kirrama 1,486 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 10:45 AM, gubellini said: Blue Firing Line was bred in 1945 by Foxbridge out of Caliente who was by Polazel out of Phar Lap’s full sister Fortune’s Wheel. He was owned by JL Webb and trained at Takanini by FE Hall. He raced 38 times for only one win. Remarkably that was at Avondale on the 14/1/50 when he won the Bollard Memorial over 11 furlongs creating a then NZ Record of 2.15.6. Larry Wiggins the jockey. From limited opportunities at stud he sired three winners. Remarkably they won 21 races between them. Backfire an East Coast specialist won 10. Awol 6 and Deep Stream 5. Jim. Happy Thursday evening to you lovely man. Your mention of Larry (HN) WIGGINS in your post about Back Fire brings back many memories from my Dad's stories about Larry Wiggins. One of the all time greats Larry Wiggins rode 946 winners n NZ 3 more than Hector The Protector Gray How many Railway winners did Larry ride ? was it 5 ? He trained at Warwick Farm later in life. He rode for the Agar Khan.He wore silks in Ireland, France, Italy and America. He was a fitness addict and sparred with my dad at the Auckland Gym Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel57 429 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/23/2019 at 7:20 PM, gubellini said: weasel57 Star Delta was bred in 1973 by Sugar Apple out of the Bellborough mare Jenna Lee. Still researching but I think he won five races including the VRC Cup Day Hurdles at Flemington. thanks ... now I'd like to know where you found out this info Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 weasel57 sourced from the 1980 Stallion Register. Getting Michael Sheridan to look up Star Delta’s NZ racing record. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 Rev Larry Wiggins rode 6 Railway winners. 1932 The Quorn 1937 Stretto 1938 Disdain 1939 Bronwen 1940 Bronwen 1943 Sweet Biscuit Larry also won three Auckland Cups 1943 Lord Chancellor 1945 Expanse 1951 Classowa Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 Rev Larry also won four Easter Handicaps 1924 Hipo 1941 Kindergarten 1951 Peter Boy 1952 Misprint Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 weazel57 courtesy of Michael Sheridan here is the NZ record of Star Delta: Owned by VJ Salisbury trained by Cliff Fenwick at Takanini. At 2 unplaced in four starts At 3 unplaced in three starts. At 4 ran 18 times for 3 wins 2 seconds 2 thirds and 2 fourths. All three wins at Avondale. 14/10/77 1600m ridden by Nigel Tiley. 14/12/77 2200m ridden by Warwick Robinson. 17/12/77 2200m ridden by Warwick Robinson. At 5 ran 8 times for one second. Then sold to Australia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...