puha 2,177 Report post Posted October 16, 2019 Just went to place a bet on the Cup and Caulfield isn’t even on the TAB site for Saturday .Wakey Wakey boys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, puha said: Just went to place a bet on the Cup and Caulfield isn’t even on the TAB site for Saturday .Wakey Wakey boys They keep popping up the prices last few days on Trackside , they keep showing Constantinople as opening 10000 to 1 into 9s or thereabouts . Im highly skeptical it was ever 10000 to 1 for a well performed Ballydoyle 3 year old available on opening book, next year bang a buck on every 3 year old in his yard if that's the guideline , take out the sprinters and real good ones they won't send down or sell will be left with an outlay of 30 bucks or so for roll of dice The Chosen One got the car park , a few other good ones wide too , Best Solution found it no problem though . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,824 Report post Posted October 16, 2019 The obvious answer..... 2019 Caulfield Cup R9 MRC Caulfield Cup 2400m $5M Good4 Form #Number. Horse (Barrier) Rating Career Last 10 Results Odds 1. Hartnell (17) T: James Cummings J: Brad Rawiller (58kg) 114 56:13-14-8 3233x34443 $20 BET NOW 2. Mirage Dancer (13) T: Trent Busuttin and Natalie Young J: Ben Melham (56kg) 110 16:4-5-3 12x0x1322x $17 BET NOW 3. Mer De Glace (21) T: Hisashi Shimizu J: Damian Lane (55.5kg) 109 17:7-2-5 x211x11x1x $8 BET NOW 4. Mustajeer (16) T: Kris Lees J: Damien Oliver (55.5kg) 109 19:4-3-3 44x1x72351 $10 BET NOW 5. Rostropovich (18) T: David and B Hayes and T Dabernig J: Dwayne Dunn (55.5kg) 109 17:4-2-2 2251557x79 $23 BET NOW 6. Finche (19) T: Chris Waller J: Michael Walker (54.5kg) 108 13:4-1-3 5x1x34x512 $6 BET NOW 7. Gold Mount (4) T: Ian Williams J: Mark Du Plessis (54.5kg) 107 29:8-5-3 546884x12x $23 BET NOW 8. Red Verdon (15) T: Ed Dunlop J: Patrick Cosgrave (54.5kg) 107 31:7-9-1 2500x15610 $41 BET NOW 9. Angel of Truth (14) T: Gwenda Markwell J: Dean Yendall (54kg) 106 11:5-0-0 x16511x658 $81 BET NOW 10. Big Duke (1) T: Kris Lees J: Brett Prebble (54kg) 103 39:7-8-5 2008326x75 $61 BET NOW 11. Constantinople (7) T: David and B Hayes and T Dabernig J: Luke Nolen (53kg) 109 8:2-4-1 531x21222 $9 BET NOW 12. Mr Quickie (10) T: Phillip Stokes J: John Allen (53kg) 108 15:9-2-2 x112131x30 $9.5 BET NOW 13. Crown Prosecutor (2) T: Stephen Marsh J: Craig Grylls (52.5kg) 104 11:2-0-3 318919x603 $46 BET NOW 14. Vow And Declare (9) T: Danny O'Brien J: Craig Williams (52.5kg) 102 11:3-2-2 11x36621x4 $11 BET NOW 15. Brimham Rocks (20) T: Chris Waller J: Michael Dee (52kg) 103 28:5-7-2 87400x0919 $35 BET NOW 16. The Chosen One (22) T: Murray Baker and Andrew Forsman J: Stephen Baster (52kg) 103 14:5-2-0 470141x591 $15 BET NOW 17. Qafila (6) T: David and B Hayes and T Dabernig J: Cory Parish (51.5kg) 102 21:3-2-0 14941x2058 $41 BET NOW 18. Wolfe (5) T: Gai Waterhouse and Adrian Bott J: Beau Mertens (50kg) 100 10:6-1-1 x211x18531 $27 BET NOW 19. Sound (8) T: Michael Moroney J: James Winks (54kg) 105 23:7-2-1 x00x048x07 $126 BET NOW 20. Neufbosc (3) T: David and B Hayes and T Dabernig J: Jye McNeil (54kg) 104 12:3-2-1 12x30x8070 $91 BET NOW 21. True Self (12) T: William Mullins J: Declan Bates (52kg) 106 18:8-4-0 2x111x1276 $61 BET NOW 22. Prince Of Arran (11) T: Charlie Fellowes J: Jamie Kah (53.5kg) Centrofold and Red Rum 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: The obvious answer..... 2019 Caulfield Cup R9 MRC Caulfield Cup 2400m $5M Good4 Form #Number. Horse (Barrier) Rating Career Last 10 Results Odds 1. Hartnell (17) T: James Cummings J: Brad Rawiller (58kg) 114 56:13-14-8 3233x34443 $20 BET NOW 2. Mirage Dancer (13) T: Trent Busuttin and Natalie Young J: Ben Melham (56kg) 110 16:4-5-3 12x0x1322x $17 BET NOW 3. Mer De Glace (21) T: Hisashi Shimizu J: Damian Lane (55.5kg) 109 17:7-2-5 x211x11x1x $8 BET NOW 4. Mustajeer (16) T: Kris Lees J: Damien Oliver (55.5kg) 109 19:4-3-3 44x1x72351 $10 BET NOW 5. Rostropovich (18) T: David and B Hayes and T Dabernig J: Dwayne Dunn (55.5kg) 109 17:4-2-2 2251557x79 $23 BET NOW 6. Finche (19) T: Chris Waller J: Michael Walker (54.5kg) 108 13:4-1-3 5x1x34x512 $6 BET NOW 7. Gold Mount (4) T: Ian Williams J: Mark Du Plessis (54.5kg) 107 29:8-5-3 546884x12x $23 BET NOW 8. Red Verdon (15) T: Ed Dunlop J: Patrick Cosgrave (54.5kg) 107 31:7-9-1 2500x15610 $41 BET NOW 9. Angel of Truth (14) T: Gwenda Markwell J: Dean Yendall (54kg) 106 11:5-0-0 x16511x658 $81 BET NOW 10. Big Duke (1) T: Kris Lees J: Brett Prebble (54kg) 103 39:7-8-5 2008326x75 $61 BET NOW 11. Constantinople (7) T: David and B Hayes and T Dabernig J: Luke Nolen (53kg) 109 8:2-4-1 531x21222 $9 BET NOW 12. Mr Quickie (10) T: Phillip Stokes J: John Allen (53kg) 108 15:9-2-2 x112131x30 $9.5 BET NOW 13. Crown Prosecutor (2) T: Stephen Marsh J: Craig Grylls (52.5kg) 104 11:2-0-3 318919x603 $46 BET NOW 14. Vow And Declare (9) T: Danny O'Brien J: Craig Williams (52.5kg) 102 11:3-2-2 11x36621x4 $11 BET NOW 15. Brimham Rocks (20) T: Chris Waller J: Michael Dee (52kg) 103 28:5-7-2 87400x0919 $35 BET NOW 16. The Chosen One (22) T: Murray Baker and Andrew Forsman J: Stephen Baster (52kg) 103 14:5-2-0 470141x591 $15 BET NOW 17. Qafila (6) T: David and B Hayes and T Dabernig J: Cory Parish (51.5kg) 102 21:3-2-0 14941x2058 $41 BET NOW 18. Wolfe (5) T: Gai Waterhouse and Adrian Bott J: Beau Mertens (50kg) 100 10:6-1-1 x211x18531 $27 BET NOW 19. Sound (8) T: Michael Moroney J: James Winks (54kg) 105 23:7-2-1 x00x048x07 $126 BET NOW 20. Neufbosc (3) T: David and B Hayes and T Dabernig J: Jye McNeil (54kg) 104 12:3-2-1 12x30x8070 $91 BET NOW 21. True Self (12) T: William Mullins J: Declan Bates (52kg) 106 18:8-4-0 2x111x1276 $61 BET NOW 22. Prince Of Arran (11) T: Charlie Fellowes J: Jamie Kah (53.5kg) That Shared Ambition was smart again today , how they found that horse out of wins in two of probably the worse races run on flat this year north or south of border in Ireland is a credit to the spotter . The form before and after for the horses he beat up there is pretty bad , most you wouldn't bother sending over sticks . He looks real tidy though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted October 16, 2019 I don't actually think Crown Prosecutor is the worst ever bet at those odds and from that draw. I thought fitness wise he looked pretty good both days at HB and he rushed home well the last day. Centrofold 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlahan's Dream 533 Report post Posted October 16, 2019 Interesting. Seems wide wide open. $50 shot winning Caulfield Cup - weirder things have happened! Prinze of Penzance etc..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Houlahan's Dream said: Interesting. Seems wide wide open. $50 shot winning Caulfield Cup - weirder things have happened! Prinze of Penzance etc..... Cory and Boom time payed plenty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlahan's Dream 533 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 18 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I don't actually think Crown Prosecutor is the worst ever bet at those odds and from that draw. I thought fitness wise he looked pretty good both days at HB and he rushed home well the last day. What did it pay....long odds right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 18 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I don't actually think Crown Prosecutor is the worst ever bet at those odds and from that draw. I thought fitness wise he looked pretty good both days at HB and he rushed home well the last day. Mustajeer been described as a jumper ready for Cheltenham in past on another thread so by rights in receipt of lumps of weight , better draw and closer to his own conditions Crown Prosecuter as a Derby winner should be raising cup time Mustajeer passes post . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 21 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I don't actually think Crown Prosecutor is the worst ever bet at those odds and from that draw. I thought fitness wise he looked pretty good both days at HB and he rushed home well the last day. New Zealand galloper Crown prosecutor is in doubt for the Caulfield Cup after presenting with lameness when examined on Thursday. Racing Victoria released the following statement on Thursday afternoon: Racing Victoria (RV) veterinarians have today completed their inspection of the 18 starters and three of the four emergencies for this Saturday’s Stella Artois Caulfield Cup (2400m). The Stephen Marsh-trained Crown Prosecutor will be re-examined by RV veterinarians tomorrow morning to determine the gelding’s suitability to accept after he presented with lameness in his right forelimb. Second emergency Neufbosc (Hayes, Hayes & Dabernig) is currently stabled in Sydney so was unable to be examined today. The horse will be transported to Melbourne tomorrow and inspected by an RV veterinarian in the afternoon. All other horses were passed fit to race. An update on Crown Prosecutor and Neufbosc will be provided tomorrow following their examinations. We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack 479 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 I would've been very keen on Prince of Arran had he gotten a run. Looks like he'll go to the Geelong Cup on Wednesday instead. Got it down to 2-3-6-10-11-15-16 at first glance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel57 429 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, chiknsmack said: I would've been very keen on Prince of Arran had he gotten a run. Looks like he'll go to the Geelong Cup on Wednesday instead. Got it down to 2-3-6-10-11-15-16 at first glance. how can you leave out the toppie, Hartnell? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, weasel57 said: how can you leave out the toppie, Hartnell? Absolutely no show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 For those of you who fancy Mer De Glacé or the emergency True Sense, my Werribee Spy, Donald the Duck, says that they are the pick of the imports at the mo from Werribee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlahan's Dream 533 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Trump said: Absolutely no show. Yeah I can't figure why they think he has a better shot giving weight to this many horses over 12f, rather than WFA over 10 the week after. Maybe the turn of foot isn't there anymore more to be Cox plate competitive....That weight just seems a hard ask for a horse that owes them nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogo(aus) 876 Report post Posted October 17, 2019 It used to be the Caulfield cup that was the main race on this weekend but now it’s the Everest Tulloch , how now, Ming dynasty, let’s elope etc all replaced by European blow ins that no one can line up , no wonder the Caulfield cup is in the background this weekend. meanwhile in Sydney the sun shines brilliantly on the worlds most beautiful harbour and people all over the great state look forward to eliminating premature geriatrification from Wagga Wagga to royal randwick, go Carlo$. spy vs spy . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,824 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Trump said: For those of you who fancy Mer De Glacé or the emergency True Sense, my Werribee Spy, Donald the Duck, says that they are the pick of the imports at the mo from Werribee. Damian Lane has ridden MDG before in Japan so no doubt considered it a good Cup hope in Australia. Mirage Dancer and Constantinople have good form around serious horses in Europe as does Rostropovitch. Couple them up with the light weight threats.....Vow and Declare, Brimham Rocks, Chosen One...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 57 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Damian Lane has ridden MDG before in Japan so no doubt considered it a good Cup hope in Australia. Mirage Dancer and Constantinople have good form around serious horses in Europe as does Rostropovitch. Couple them up with the light weight threats.....Vow and Declare, Brimham Rocks, Chosen One...... The Hong Kong Cup is a good one to you tube , loads spring carnival horses including Cox Plate fav were in it . Red Verdon was making a move on bend and got pole axed by Pakistan Star and Waldgeist. Iam having ew dabble Red Verdon . I'd love to see Hartnell win, I think it's a good move by Cummings . He shown to have lost a bit of form at WFA level now . But physically he carried more than 58 many times including at 2 and 3 yo in UK and relative to others the spread not big , he's giving a stone to Qafila at bottom , Wolfe hijacked the original field on 50 but it's still not massive spread for horse with real class . When you consider race like Cesarewitch which comes up sometimes when discussing Melb Cup the weight spread in that on Saturday was 23lbs , a horse like say Mustijeer if not here would likely be running in it giving away that kind weight to bottom weight . We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,824 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, Red Rum said: The Hong Kong Cup is a good one to you tube , loads spring carnival horses including Cox Plate fav were in it . Red Verdon was making a move on bend and got pole axed by Pakistan Star and Waldgeist. Iam having ew dabble Red Verdon . I'd love to see Hartnell win, I think it's a good move by Cummings . He shown to have lost a bit of form at WFA level now . But physically he carried more than 58 many times including at 2 and 3 yo in UK and relative to others the spread not big , he's giving a stone to Qafila at bottom , Wolfe hijacked the original field on 50 but it's still not massive spread for horse with real class . When you consider race like Cesarewitch which comes up sometimes when discussing Melb Cup the weight spread in that on Saturday was 23lbs , a horse like say Mustijeer if not here would likely be running in it giving away that kind weight to bottom weight . Those up the top have form around Benbatl, Best Solution and Constantinople around Logician....don't see Hartnell giving them weight...Crown Prosecutor failed vet and is out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 Constantinople, Rostropovich and Vow and Declare on top. For the remainder of my F4 and tri in the placings with the above three, I’ll be throwing in Finche, Mer De Glacé, Mr Quickie, Gold Mount and Red Verdon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 23 hours ago, Red Rum said: Mustajeer been described as a jumper ready for Cheltenham in past on another thread so by rights in receipt of lumps of weight , better draw and closer to his own conditions Crown Prosecuter as a Derby winner should be raising cup time Mustajeer passes post . Not sure Mustajeer could be described as a jumper. He's probably a better Metrop or Melbourne Cup horse but his form is not bad. 3rd to Magical (ranks top Cartier point scorer so far) in Gp1 WFA in Ireland is good form albeit he was beaten a margin. 2 lengths behind Cliffs of Mohar ( 3rd in last years Caufield Cup) gives you an idea of his ability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Berri said: Not sure Mustajeer could be described as a jumper. He's probably a better Metrop or Melbourne Cup horse but his form is not bad. 3rd to Magical (ranks top Cartier point scorer so far) in Gp1 WFA in Ireland is good form albeit he was beaten a margin. 2 lengths behind Cliffs of Mohar ( 3rd in last years Caufield Cup) gives you an idea of his ability. Totally agree , was described by another poster who is not a fan of Ebor form as that a while ago, will cost me fifty bucks charity bet as result if he does not make top 10 in Cup , I respect the horse a lot but yes Melb Cup more his go . Mind you nice settled first lap , I back him to outdo a few up hill in the Stayers Hurdle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,824 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 Werribee whispers...worth a read.... https://www.racing.com/news/2019-10-18/news-whispers-from-werribee-caulfield-cup-day Red Rum and weasel57 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
voice of reason 90 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 pogo , some of us love racing and are not interested in the dick swinging between sydney/melbourne...i dont give a shit about who has the best day,the best horses,best jocks...just want to watch top class action...the fact that both of these meetings are on the same day is shameful..just for the sake of a few administrators upstaging each other...they aint interested in the big picture or whats best for the industry overall...why the huge chip on your shoulder big guy ?????? pogo(aus) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogo(aus) 876 Report post Posted October 18, 2019 VOR , it’s a pi$$take mate, I was hoping for a bit more reaction from the geriatrics . of course the two states should work in unison for the betterment of the industry. NSW got sick of the holier than thou and entitled attitude of Vic and took them head on, agree with you however a bit of conciliation would be better. irrespective of all the bluster it’s clear promotional ideas and innovation can and do help , the amount of coverage, attendance and interest in this new race is amazing. You just need to read Tony McEvoy and James MacDonalds articles to realise that. the Everest is a big success, personally I prefer the staying races but not when no one knows Arthur from Martha , the Vics have created a monster they now fear. regarding the Everest it certainly is as open as the Sydney heads Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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