voice of reason 90 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 what a beautiful ,promising filly ....sad that she will probably not reach her potential..i think it was cruel to run her.. gubellini, Baz (NZ) and Black Kirrama 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 Is it the fact she was a maiden in Group 1 , if so plenty maidens have run ok in group 1s over the years,some of whom trainers not bothered with maidens when they place highly in top grade regularly . Is it fact it's too early for 3 yo filly up against older horses if so there are rare examples overseas of 2 year old fillies beating older horses in Group 1s . Not saying trainer and owner were right as result would indicate not but can see maybe they thought weight allowance , question marks over MB , a few winter gallopers in field , give it a go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, Red Rum said: Is it the fact she was a maiden in Group 1 , if so plenty maidens have run ok in group 1s over the years,some of whom trainers not bothered with maidens when they place highly in top grade regularly . Is it fact it's too early for 3 yo filly up against older horses if so there are rare examples overseas of 2 year old fillies beating older horses in Group 1s . Not saying trainer and owner were right as result would indicate not but can see maybe they thought weight allowance , question marks over MB , a few winter gallopers in field , give it a go. It is a bit different starting a maiden against its own age group as a 2yo or 3yo, and starting it against older horses at WFA. I can't recall a maiden winning a Group 1 WFA race in NZ, but I may be wrong. And especially at this end of the season . It was still a 2yo a month ago. Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 43 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: It is a bit different starting a maiden against its own age group as a 2yo or 3yo, and starting it against older horses at WFA. I can't recall a maiden winning a Group 1 WFA race in NZ, but I may be wrong. And especially at this end of the season . It was still a 2yo a month ago. Yes agree , be one to try dig out a maiden that won a wfa group 1 somewhere in history but off top of my head cannot think of one . As for two year olds winning at Group 1 wfa Sigy won the Prix De Abbaye on ARC day many years back and Lyric Fantasy won in August of 2 year old season in Nunthorpe at York not so many years back . In fact two were entered for last week's Nunthorpe but went other races . They were flat out fast two year olds though so were striking while iron was hot . Dragon Dancer nosed out by Sir Percy in Epsom Derby finished 3 yo season a maiden on 119 , had Dylan Thomas behind him in Derby , also ran 4th in Irish Derby and horse called Needle Gun took to 5 years old to win a race , he had however placed in big group 1s many times , behind good horses . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 Red Rum.....try Shamus Award in the 2013 Cox Plate. A 3yo winning the race as a maiden. Red Rum, Pam Robson and JJ Flash 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, rdytdy said: Red Rum.....try Shamus Award in the 2013 Cox Plate. A 3yo winning the race as a maiden. Yes , just googled it , forgot that one , born 28 Oct 2010 Cox Plate 26th October 2013 so not quite 3 . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, rdytdy said: Red Rum.....try Shamus Award in the 2013 Cox Plate. A 3yo winning the race as a maiden. Yes indeed,that was why I specifically mentioned an NZ WFA and during August. I did have Shamus in the back of my mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 3yo Saracino won the G2 Foxbridge Plate in early August as a maiden in 2016 (yes I know it wasn't a G1 but thought it was worth a mention). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingshill 233 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, rdytdy said: 3yo Saracino won the G2 Foxbridge Plate in early August as a maiden in 2016 (yes I know it wasn't a G1 but thought it was worth a mention). I'm sure Saracino won as a 2yo..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingshill 233 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 Sorry Ted.... You were correct. Saracino placed twice in group races as a 2yo before winning the Foxbridge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 King Midas after leading up and racing with his head in the air dropped out and finished second to last at Te Aroha yesterday. Expect Huckleberry Hussie to suffer the same fate in Race 3 at Counties on Wednesday. Great start for the Rogie/ Te Keeti Bloodstock juggernaut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,722 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 9 hours ago, gubellini said: King Midas after leading up and racing with his head in the air dropped out and finished second to last at Te Aroha yesterday. Expect Huckleberry Hussie to suffer the same fate in Race 3 at Counties on Wednesday. Great start for the Rogie/ Te Keeti Bloodstock juggernaut. Looked promising early in his 2yo prep. I'm sure Jacob McKay won 2 out of 2 Trials with him before he was removed to Peter Huxtables then ontoTeam Rogerson? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 13 hours ago, We're Doomed said: It is a bit different starting a maiden against its own age group as a 2yo or 3yo, and starting it against older horses at WFA. I can't recall a maiden winning a Group 1 WFA race in NZ, but I may be wrong. And especially at this end of the season . It was still a 2yo a month ago. Coober's Queen won the Lion Brown Sprint (GP1) at Te Rapa in 1980 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,576 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 Why not just leave Rogie to train it, let the owner who pays the bills make the decisions and butt your bloody noses out. Te Keeti Bloodstock can please themselves! So many experts! Pam Robson, scooby3051 and badger 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,857 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 Agreed Chris at the end of the day its his horse he pays the bills...his choice...rightly or wrongly. We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Berri said: Coober's Queen won the Lion Brown Sprint (GP1) at Te Rapa in 1980 Berri Coober’s Queen had won five races as a 3yo prior to winning the Lion Brown Sprint. Among them the Eulogy Stakes at Awapuni and the Ladies Mile at Ellerslie. Memphis2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Hogg 320 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris Wood said: Why not just leave Rogie to train it, let the owner who pays the bills make the decisions and butt your bloody noses out. Te Keeti Bloodstock can please themselves! So many experts! Gee Chris I didnt realize we were experts, ,thought we could comment on this subject didn't know our bloody noses were a problem and upsetting you .As we are now defined as experts I will tell my wife I'm considered an expert so any problems she has she can speak to an expert. cheers BH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,857 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said: Gee Chris I didnt realize we were experts, ,thought we could comment on this subject didn't know our bloody noses were a problem and upsetting you .As we are now defined as experts I will tell my wife I'm considered an expert so any problems she has she can speak to an expert. cheers BH I think Chris has an opinion, also which he is allowed...it just happens to differ from many on here... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,547 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 57 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: I think Chris has an opinion, also which he is allowed...it just happens to differ from many on here... Chris is a very good trainer, and is also smart enough to refrain from commenting upon the decisions of another trainer. scooby3051 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis2 1,078 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, gubellini said: Berri Coober’s Queen had won five races as a 3yo prior to winning the Lion Brown Sprint. Among them the Eulogy Stakes at Awapuni and the Ladies Mile at Ellerslie. What race did she would at Trentham beating Grey Way? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,547 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Memphis2 said: What race did she would at Trentham beating Grey Way? N.I.Challenge Stakes Memphis2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis2 1,078 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 I was there that day. Jim Cass v Sleepy Bob. Brilliant race. Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Chris Wood said: Why not just leave Rogie to train it, let the owner who pays the bills make the decisions and butt your bloody noses out. Te Keeti Bloodstock can please themselves! So many experts! Unfortunately 95 per cent of public have kept there bloody noses out of racing for many years , you would be better served as an industry having many more people having their bloody noses interested in the sport , it's all about opinions , since two people turned up with two horses at Newmarket 300 plus years ago and argued who had fastest , one thing worse than talking about someone is not talking about someone , not many talk about racing anymore , it's a big problem. If trainer or owner is bothered about what a few people discuss at the track , on a forum or in a tab I would be highly surprised . Good luck to the guy , he's invested plenty . Baz (NZ), Pam Robson, scooby3051 and 2 others 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Memphis2 said: I was there that day. Jim Cass v Sleepy Bob. Brilliant race. I was there as well. Quite a small field as well from memory. And one of several races that the WRC have allowed to drop away status wise. Memphis2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 Good point Rummy.Look at How many critics there are in other sporting codes And the common denominator is ...they are all fans, I would of thought the more passionate the more outspoken,just one of the pitfalls in a high profile industry. Red Rum and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...